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Pakistan’s Air Chief sheds light on next-generation fighter plans
March 27, 2017
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Pakistan’s Air Chief sheds light on next-generation fighter plans

30 March 2016

By Bilal Khan

Air Chief Marshal (ACM) Sohail Aman, the Chief of Air Staff (CAS) of the Pakistan Air Force (PAF), gave a very interesting and informative interview with PTV on March 23 (mostly in Urdu), shortly before flying over the parade venue himself on a F-16D Block-52+.

It was not very long ago that ACM Sohail Aman brought up the issue of the PAF seeking to replace as many as 190 legacy fighters by the end of 2019. Following up on that statement, ACM Aman said, “we have a lot of vintage aeroplanes, but that’s behind us.” Although the task of replacing 190 aged F-7Ps and Mirage III/5s could be daunting, the JF-17 has afforded the PAF with enough flexibility to not be overly concerned about the issue. With the Thunder in full-scale production and at the center of phasing out dozens of older fighter aircraft on a routine basis, the PAF has set its sights for the next 20-25 years.

ACM Sohail Aman began noting that the F-16 and even JF-17 will eventually be in need of being of replaced as well, and it was on that point that he noted the urgency of conceptualizing a new generation fighter. In fact, the ACM went as far as stating that the development of a next-generation fighter is the most difficult challenge on the horizon for the PAF. One of the main reasons why this is the case is because, according to the ACM, the PAF needs to think in terms of beyond fifth-generation designs, such as the J-20 and F-35.

In that sense, ACM Aman was correct. By the time the PAF’s next-generation fighter comes to fruition, it would not only be an era flush with similar designs, but it would also be in an age of new and more capable air warfare technologies. In other words, the PAF would have to understand the threats of the future, and develop a solution that could harness the advances of tomorrow. However, even the ACM was not shy from recognizing that this would be a truly difficult feat, especially for the PAF.

With the aim of enhancing the capacity of the PAF to interpret the development of air warfare doctrines and technology, especially over the long-term, ACM Aman heavily stressed upon the need for developing the PAF’s “intellectual” foundations. For him, investment in these areas was of significant importance, and he pointed towards the establishment of Kamra Aviation City and the Airpower Centre of Excellence (ACE) as prime examples of stepping stones towards expanding the PAF intellectual capacities. Moreover, he was strongly hopeful that the PAF would learn to connect with the country’s existing academic and intellectual base as a means for mutual growth and development.

ACM Sohail Aman’s statements were certainly on-point, and it was insightful to hear him recognize the challenge of developing a fifth-generation fighter today – i.e. the reality it would be behind when ready. That said, the challenge for the PAF will be in understanding and harnessing the growth in advanced on-board electronics technology. Advances in active electronically-scanned array (AESA) radar technology, particularly in terms of detecting stealthy objects and resisting common electronic warfare and electronic countermeasure methods, will require more than just low-detectability airframes and powerful EW/ECM suites. The PAF would basically have to steer itself towards higher level conceptual thinking, perhaps even pursue original ideas, or at least risk heavy concepts.

In the end, the PAF will almost certainly partner with an overseas vendor to help it push its next-generation fighter plans into fruition. Next steps for the PAF could include setting up joint working groups or joint-studies with partners grappling with similar questions. China will likely be the first stop, but given the abstract nature of the issue at present, it may be worthwhile for the PAF to engage with its counterparts in Turkey as well. In any case, the route the PAF seems to be looking at is not going to be as simple nor low-risk as the JF-17; once formally initiated, the next-generation fighter could be Pakistan’s most significant defence program in the 21st century.

  • Ashi Sidhu

    there is no challenge pakistan just has to buy j-31
    it can ask china for assembling it in pakistan thats all

    • jigsaww

      J-31 is stop gap until Pakistan can start developing own 5++ or 6th gen fighter. That’s what he means.

      • Ashi Sidhu

        don’t make me Laugh

        • jigsaww

          Why would i when you have enough to laugh about Tejas and dozen other indian failures.

          • Ashi Sidhu

            Atleast we don’t induct a fighter which is a reverse engineered mig 21(and Block 1 is total shit)
            Btw Tejas is now comin off with a AESA and 120 are going to be ordered starting from 2018

          • jigsaww

            save this garbage comments for indian defence sites where you can get away with any kind of junk comments. you don’t even know a bit about technology used in mig-21, let alone the jf-17. it’s below any and all standards to even indulge in a technical discussion with you mindless indian internet junkies, so i’ll just put it in the words you understand:
            if block 1 is shit, Tejas is that stale piece of turd that is desperately trying to make its way out of a constipated indian arse.

          • MT

            J fighter 17 has no BVR capability in Block1 unlike Tejas MK1– Block2 radar, FBW, engine thrust are still not at par with Tejas MK1

          • jigsaww

            No, certainly not. It’s not at par with a jet struggling to make it to reality for last 40 years despite having support from dozen countries in design and development as well as imported content. You’ll just have to shit it out i guess.

          • MT

            Ask your mod to compare engine thrust,avionics,radar & bvr capabilities of tejas vs jf

          • jigsaww

            Why bother the mod. I can do that myself. But why should i do that when it’s known that Tejas is garbage because of indians. Case closed.

          • MT

            Junk Russian mig33 remodelled as cheeni junk fighter17 is not something to feel proud for a country who assemble them in knocked down kits

          • jigsaww

            That’s a blind fool’s assessment I’d say because JF-17 does not share a bit of design with Mig-33 or any other Mig.

          • MT

            The designation MiG-33 has been associated with two different Mikoyan fighter designs. It was first employed for a single-engined, lightweight strike fighter similar in capabilities to the F-16 Fighting Falcon. More formally known as “Project 33”, development work began on this design about 1980, but it was cancelled in 1986 as the result of changing Soviet Air Force requirements. However, in 1998 China purchased the design and test data from Russia to aid in expediting the development of the Chengdu JF-17/FC-1

            => Russian Mig33 design
            => Mig 33 avionics, Russian software written in c

            =>Radar & other equipments are cheeni!

          • jigsaww

            Congrats to pakistan for making something of absolute success out of dropped Mig33 project. PAF has always made gold out of sand…speaks highly of its skill and conviction.

            whereas DRDO is pregnant with Tejas for last 40 years but the damn baby won’t come out. eventually it’ll be shitted out.

          • MT

            Pakistan didnt take a single work in JF17 apart from license kit assembly.

            Russia sold entire aircraft design, avionics and source code to china

            JF17 will always remain a poorly designed 3rd gen aircraft–

            India is producing 8 tejas this year while no will go up to 16 from 2017-18

          • jigsaww

            Shit out tejas first in an inductable form, then i’ll give you the right and time to discuss JF-17 with me.

          • MT

            Never met people who take pride in imported assembled aircraft.

            As I said before that Jf17 is not even 10 % made in Paksitan–Given fuselage cost of aircraft is less than 20%. Pak 58% contribution in airframe assembly makes Pak a third class assembler, something India has been doing since 1970

          • jigsaww

            Havent you met indians? the idiots only had to integrate the parts into one jet,40 years into the making..still can’t figure out lego puzzle.

            we’ll have to put a minus scale on IQ chart to level up indians there. lol

          • MT

            Better than inbred wahabi.

            You are completely exposed in every small discussion which shows avg intelligence of bakistani

          • MT

            Following the cancellation of U.S. and European companies’ participation in the development of the Westernized Chengdu J-7 variant known as the “Super-7”, China launched a program in 1991 to develop an indigenous evolution of this MiG-21-based design, which it designated the FC-1 (“Fighter China 1”). To expedite its development, officials of the Chengdu Aircraft Industries Corporation (CAC) or the China National Aero-Technology Import and Export Corporation (CATIC) – perhaps both – approached Mikoyan for technical support. In 1998, CATIC purchased Izd 33 design and test information from the Mikoyan design bureau, along with other research and development assistance. These designs were used in development of JF-17 / FC-1 by Pakistan and China.

          • MT

            in 1998 China purchased the design and test data of Mig33 from Russia to aid in expediting the development of the Chengdu JF-17/FC-1

          • Mateen Zaman

            very true

          • MT

            Mig 33 flawed designed, coded in c´++ by Russia was sold for junk to china from where they got the name J*** fighter!

      • MT

        pak should first build an indigenous uav or drone from complete local solutions including local design.
        In reality Pak don’t have capacity to build 5th gen fighter over next 50yrs

        • jigsaww

          Yes it will while you will be sulking over Tejas, AMCA and other failures.

        • Mustafa O

          Like modi toadies are any good developing even a gen 3 aircraft…. Wakeup and stop day dreaming

          • MT

            Jf17 may be 3rd gen failed Mig33 bought by china at junk prices from russia-

            Tejas is definitely a 4th gen aircraft!

            Source “The designation MiG-33 has been associated with two different Mikoyan fighter designs. It was first employed for a single-engined, lightweight strike fighter similar in capabilities to the F-16 Fighting Falcon. More formally known as “Project 33″, development work began on this design about 1980, but it was cancelled in 1986 as the result of changing Soviet Air Force requirements. However, in 1998 China purchased the design and test data from Russia to aid in expediting the development of the Chengdu JF-17/FC-1”

          • jigsaww

            90% of indian military comprises of same russian “junk”. Food for thought.

          • MT

            Mig33 programwas junked by Russians– otherwise, Russian products are of avg quality

          • jigsaww

            that means 80% of indian military is of average (read poor) quality.

        • Pakistan exports UAVs

          • MT

            Ha ha. Show me 1uav which went through indigenous design & underwent wind tunnel testing in pak.
            How many % of uav parts can be made in pak??

    • ACM is talking about a 5th Gen fighter packed with technologies PAF wants in order to maintain the technological edge.

      • Ashi Sidhu

        which technological edge you are talking about?

        • jigsaww

          the kind of technological edge because of which indian air force and media is getting panic attacks every 1 month for last 5 years now.

          80% of indian inventory is comprised of soviet era migs and weapon systems. the rest is 50% unavailable at any time.

          • Ashi Sidhu

            still better than inducting a plane of 1960s design and f 16s of which u have only a handful older block 52 under strict US measures

          • jigsaww

            Only handful and under strict restrictions, true…but still enough to give dhoti panic attacks to some people. PAF has a reputation for that.
            Without trying to get it into your empty head, the world recognizes JF-17 to be a better aircraft than any thing in indian obsolete airforce except the SU-30s. You must be out of your mind to suggest that Mig-21s, Mig-27s, Jaguars, Mig-29s, Mirage 2000s could level up to JF-17 block 2 and 3. It’s beyond stupid and illogical but hey keep up your reputation. I’ve said this before, block 3 when out will outmatch the Pakistani F-16s block 52 as well as MLUed ones for high tech gadgets. Tejas then will be sucking on choosni.

            MLUed F-16s are under complete control of PAF. About 60 and available fully to PAF to put whatever role it decides for them.

          • MT

            Mig29 MK & MIG29 UPG latest upgrade of IAF & upgraded Mirage 2000 are beast. They can take care of All F-16 including block 52 A fool will compare them to Junk fighter with poor thrust, avionics and poor radar which can barely fly in sky & uses some chinese low quality BVR missiles at max range of 50 KM

            Mig29 UPG can fire 100 km BVR

          • jigsaww

            On paper Tejas is also a beast, right? To this day, i do not recall any kill ever recorded by Su-30 or Mig-29. These machines are not even fully combat proven. All avionics and gadget set in Mig-29s and Mirage 2000 are outmatched by what is installed and slated on JF-17 block 3, unless mirages are upgraded to 4++ gen.

            It’s a joke to compare a combat proven platform like F-16 to garbage of Su-30 and Migs. If this was the case, india wouldn’t be shitting its dhotis over 8 F-16s and trying desperately for western platforms. Currently there is nothing in IAF that can pose a serious threat to PAF. The all metal frame high RCS SU-30 is a flying truck. PAF did not even respond to SU-30. The only threat IAF could potentially give to PAF was rafale which is not getting to see the light of day, or F-18s if ever produced in india, before 2025. By this time, PAF will have fielded highly capable block 3 JF-17s, and most possibly another 4++ gen fighter, with J-31 around the corner.

            I am absolutely certain that Rafale or F-18 is THE only threat PAF will consider as a threat besides S-400 (which will be countered by a chinese equivalent system). The rest is for filling up garbage egos of indians.

          • MT

            Mig29 UPG are the most advanced Mig29 which uses fadec engine.
            Junk fightet uses rd93 which is generation behind mig29Mk and Mig29UPG

            ALL mirage2000 are being upgraded to 52+block configuration.
            MORE than 2000 Su30 are in production & used by 15 countries

            India don’t care damn about those f16 if pak buys them from its pocket but india cant allow usa to dole f16 to pakistan.

  • Abdullah Aman

    pakistan could be a partner up with turkey but for that plane pakistan could use it’s on avionics and radar but i think it more likely to be china that pakistan will partner with

    JF-17 is not just assembling here 58% of it’s body and avionics are being build if you Indian think you are so right then what the fuck are doing here

    • MT

      List me 1 pakistani radar and avionics made in pak
      Kamra site only suggest 58% of airframe/fuselage.

      • Mustafa O

        List me one INDIAN radar onboard any fighter of IAF. Like i said. Stop day dreaming

        • MT

          Awacs radar , long range tracking radar,fire control radar and many other ground bases aesa, pesa and naval pesa rasar.

          Indian local radar for tejas gave about 50km range. India is primarily focused on miniaturisation of aesa aircraft radars.

          • jigsaww

            That’s a lie. Every indian weapon is either a licensed production of a foreign system or a stolen design or a JV with india only paying for paint and labor force to clean the components.

            your lies knows no bounds i suppose.

          • MT

            keep feeling jealous.
            India have been pouring billion$ into e&d since 1970.
            Indian radars have indigenous content from 85-90% as per CAG report published this year.

          • jigsaww

            Give me something worth to be jealous of.
            It’s below all standards to be jealous about the junk rolling out of india.

          • MT

            pak is failed state with feeble manufacturing and nill r&d..
            Until pak india manufactures nuclear plant, steam hydel and coal turbine,wind turbine,thermal plants and india makes 10 different type of radars

            Indian long range tracking radar with aesa capabilities have range of 1000km and it can track 10 small ping balls from that range

            India and even china are lagging in miniaturisation of aesa radars.
            China have 50yr head start but they still continue to use Russian aea radar and avionics while their indigenous miniaturized radar is not at par with western system

  • MT

    Pak cant make simple 10km range radar, avionics, sam, aam, ballistic missile and even 2nd gen fighter.
    Pak industries have no capacity while pak aeronautical capacities is similar to india of 1990
    India at least can attempt to run 5th gen AMCA program and achieve it over 15years.

    • jigsaww

      First learn to integrate imported systems together to make one working system, then talk of someone else. It seems indian engineers do not even have enough IQ to carry out proper integration of cross platforms of 99% imported systems. The latest to join list of failures is Akash garbage SAM.

      Chal ab paste karna shuroo kar day apnay bhonko paper say…dimgah ki dahi.

      • Mustafa O

        Akash just got dumped by army in favor of israeli system. These modi toadies are so dump that they cant even reverse engineer a quality product. That was followed earlier by Indian army cancelling so called indigenous nishant toy uav. Imagine DRDO spending millions just going down drains

        • jigsaww

          i m sure he is preparing his 1000 excuses about akash being the next weapon for space warfare in 2050. just wait a while and you ll see him filling this page with his oscar winning garbage.

          • MT

            Akash is CLOS missile of 80’s with pesa radars. I have already explained its deficiency in prev post.
            30000crore akash system are ordered but india needs light weight akash with terminal seeker’s & aesa radar.
            Army, iaf have ordered 4-5bill $ akash which are sufficient to drive ” akash next gen”

          • jigsaww

            please explain your own deficiency also now.

          • MT

            30000crore rs order for akash 1.0 is sign of failure for high intellect bakistani.
            pak can dream of making its own sam over next 4-5 decades.

        • MT

          Akash have orders for 5bill $ 3bil $ from army and 2 bill $ from airforce.
          Akash is mrsam while army ordered spyder in qrsam/srsam category.
          Akash next gen ll have range up to 50km.
          AKASH is decent system but it has radar signature and it cant hit while moving as it uses command guidance CLOS.

          So next gen akash ll havr seekers in terminal phase and it ll be much lighter

          • jigsaww

            Will you next brain upgrade provide some IQ increase?

          • Blue Marlin

            most likely it would be a jv with china.

          • Smoking a Tejas

            So let me help cut through your BS. India starts designing a missile in the early 90s, Induction begin a close to two decades later. Then the Indian Army decides to discontinue in 2016 after a couple of regiments have been inducted worth billions of Indian Drupees because its not ‘cutting edge’. Now work on an ‘upgraded’ Mk 2 begins worth another (billion???) of drupees begins while simultaneously acquiring missiles from third party international suppliers. And its all ok because its a ‘capability jump’ on the amount of ‘experience’ its given the Indian Defence Industry. Absolutely, if overpriced, overdue and ultimately discarded programs are the bench marks, you have everyone beat. And mayhap a review of the graft situation with international suppliers are also due.

            Terminal/ seminal/ original sure doesn’t cut it when the Indian buniya has his hands in the kitty.

          • MT

            1.Akash Missile Squadron = Rs 714 Crores (with around ~ 125 missiles per squadron)

            Barak-2 fake JV Squadron = Rs. approx Rs 2000 crores (with only ~55 missiles per squadron)

            SRSAM imported squadron = Rs 1000 crores (with only ~55 missiles per squadron)

            Akash cost 4 times cheaper than spyder and 8 times cheaper than barak8

            2.2 regiment orders for Army means 12 squadron while hardlly 2 squadrons hav been delivered over last 1yr
            3.Army akash1.0 order is approx worth 2bill$.

          • Smoking a Tejas

            Lets see if the other procurement even happen and if so then its money down the drain. Ultimately, Akash Mk 1 has been scrapped by its prime user after 2 decades of development to make way for a (hopefully) better product. That doesn’t bode well for its import opportunities unless you sell at massive discounts and find someone foolish enough to go in for an unwanted system.

            The project failed to achieve its preliminary objective, indigenous production and adoption as a viable home made system. And I wouldn’t hold my breath for Mk 2 if procurement are being made from third parties. By all standards, a new missile system may be developed from the R&D if it pans out.

            And if the justification is who cares when we can blow billions on non viable weapons, ask the poor fella who’ll be in a do or die situation using the junk purchased.

          • MT

            akash hve order book of 30-33 squadrons that is more than total no of sam installed in pakistan.

            It makes sense for army to not order more than 2 regiment since the product is going through version upgrade.
            AKASH1.O cant be upgraded to 2.0 so its pragmatic to invest less in 80era beam guiding CLOS,heavy missile which has manoeuvrability of 15-20G & lacks seeker.
            SPYDER and barak8 can turn up to 50-70G.

            If u compare akash with pak chinese HQ16 then akash is far better system. Akash missile have 1 shot probability of 88+% which makes it suitable for strategic defence security of bases in heartland while 5th gen israeli SAM. AKASH main fault are
            1. It cant intercept while moving as it lack seeker Nd radar & launcher are not mounted on same truck

            2. Reaction time is more than 5 second as compared to 2-3 second for modern sam
            3.Heavy weight
            4. Limited range

            indian army is comparing ramjet solid propulsed akash1.0 with 5th gen barak8 system.
            Akash 2.0 is lighter and have a seeker but its akash NG, a totally different missile :sleeker,light weight,dual pulse engine(used in indian anti radiation missile with Sophisticated software based radar & 50g manoeuvrability) which ll make it at par with barak8 and spyder.

            Drdo is using the license money to speed up akash NG which they plan to test around 2020.

            Well IAF have scrapped french sam & are satisfied with akash.They have placed order for 15 squadrons in which 7 squadrons are for akash2.0

          • MT

            Akash is MRSAM & it hve order book of 30-33 squadrons that is more than total no of sam installed in pakistan.
            Akash is more than 90% indigenous as per latest CAG report .
            What does army expect from akash system which is 8 times cheaper than barak8 & have decent single shot probability of 88% as compared to 97-98% for barak8.
            Come on , pak can’t make akash type sam in next 3 decades. So its churlish for pakistani to undermine indian native development.

          • Smoking a Tejas

            Booking of 33 squadrons is like like a pre order at Macey’s; not to happy with the order so I’ll cancel. If Akash is what you got then I’m sure the Pakistani’s will be praying for more purchases for the Indian armed forces. And yes, for certain bean counters, 80% success rate in tests is a guarantee for ensuring ground defense. Yeah, tell that to the grunt on the receiving end but then you’re not on the front lines right? That’s his problem.

          • MT

            If you ready that fake article which claim that army won’t order more than 2 regiment which is already14 squadrons at cost of 2bill$.
            Where do they say that they ll cancel the old orders??

            6 squadrons have been delivered. From 2016, 8 squadrons ll be manufactured yearly.

            Indian airforce rejected isrseli spyder & french matri for 15-18 squadrons of akash. ARMY is okay with akash but it also ordered fully mobile Quick range SAM for cold start doctrine in 2012
            These are 4-5 yr old development so we are surprised reading such fake article by people who cant differentiate between QRSAM SRSAM &;MRSAM.
            The article is published at time once akash 2.0 with seekers are undergoing flight testing.

        • MT

          Nishant wasn’t cancelled bcoz of its capabilities but It was an old system with recovery parachute mode which are not in usage.
          Nishant helped india dev avionics, actuators, control system, flight software and solve most of intricacies related to uav which in turn led to Panchi, rustom and nirbhay.
          Nirbhay is built atop nishant.

          So all these programs helped india build its ecosystem.
          Pak on the other side import all these tech from china

        • MT

          Baki engineering is of very niche level. We see so many bakis heading Google, Microsoft

        • MT

          Indian Air Force – 8 Akash squadrons + 7 on order[55][56] (each squadron has 48-125 missiles)[71]
          Indian Army – with modifications – 2 Akash regiments (one regiment is equal to 5 or 6 squadrons)[71]

          =>2 regiment for army is like 12 squadron which is worth 2bill $ orders.
          =>15 squadrons for iaf is worth 2.5bill $ orders.

          ##>So why should army order more akash batteries?

          AKASH 1st gen receiving 4-5 bill $ order is sufficient to drive future ” akash 2.0 “and “akash next gen ”

          After all akash is 80era technology & there is no point buying more than 30 squadrons if currentl akash can’t be upgraded to akash2.0 and akash NG

        • MT

          Dumped after orders worth 5bill $.
          🙂 They ll not place any new orders for akash 1.0 but do realise that
          2 akash battalion bought by army is more than no of all sam installed in pak.

      • MT

        Of course bakistani with super high iq are heading Google microsoft and ebay while low iq indian are driving taxi in usa

        • jigsaww

          Your ignorance (read hate) is not my problem. There’s dozens of Pakistani leaders and CEOs heading companies. By any standard, the world’s highest paid CEO is still a pakistani…check for your own shitty self.

          I really feel sad for microsoft to have put an indian idiot in charge, which is why the microsoft handset division went down the gutter, microsoft surface never took off, and an entire take over of nokia handsets never returned a breakeven even to microsoft. the innovation coming out of microsoft is virtually rated negative, thanks to the indian heading it. i believe same goes for google.

          • MT

            Moron. Nokia was bankrupt 5 yrs ago. Blame ballmer who invested it in it without any proper plans.
            We know standard of madrassa education in pakistan. Rofl pakistani ceo are only found in pakisani company

            There are indian from top to bottom in every top fortune 500 companies

          • jigsaww

            Why should i blame balmer who left microsoft in a booming state and remodeled microsoft better than before while the cloud master satya screwed up whole Microsoft Surface line up, ditched microsoft venturing into hardware arena, and screwed up totally the acquisition of nokia. even a blind idiot could see what what missing in surface and lumia phones. stupid designs passed brought down microsoft until they had to go back to making windows 10.

            Google’s whole cloud strategy is screwed up after new indian CEO. Google itself accepted that.

            One idiot is leading a software company into a misplaced hardware market with stupid products and the other is screwing up an already web empire with his false cloud strategy.
            now go to your abu google and google nabeel gahreeb.

          • MT

            The market doesnt believe in your assertions..They believe that Satyna nadella is more focused and its investing in business where it has strengths

            Satya nadella lead cloud which became biggest source of revenue for MS under his leadership

            Balmer led to mixture of debalces from Window mobile to Nokia.

            Look now, MS new leadership are porting all of their Window applications to android.

            Nokia had lost its way a decade ago–hardware business is not profitable

            Cloud is the future– MS, IBM, HP makes most money from them–
            Google would want its pie of share from it!

            These people who are leading google and microsoft are idiots for a low IQ pakistani with no clue of tech world ;who can only dream to work in MS,Google

          • jigsaww

            the market believes in results and going by results, microsoft has completely failed to become a hardware vendor after losing billions in R&D of surface and lumia handsets. I do this for a living to be able to shove it up your mouth. Microsoft’s cloud push is failing miserably with new players taking the market share even before it blastedoff. You want to see how tranformation happens, see what jeff boze has done to Amazon. That’s tranformation. Not a measly crap satya has landed microsoft in and i think for google, cloud never even took off the way google expected.

          • MT

            Microsoft was never a hardware company-They were only in mobile OS.
            I didnt expect you to be so dumb–Hardware is not profitable business-
            MS cant compete with iphone, samsung and chinese companies in mobile manufacturing.
            Hardware profit is very little and there is stiff competition

            Microsoft revenue of cloud shot up by 130% in last 1 yr
            SAtya ran the cloud program from 2008 and he got the CEO job after he managed to create 25 bill$ yearly revenue from cloud in 2014. He got the job on merit. He has been working for MS over 15 yrs– A loser,dumboos who doesnt understand T of technology is questioning capability of a top notch CEO.

            MS have more than 40% market share in cloud business which is 2-3 times more than rival company.

            Microsoft is not a company that can transform over 1-2 yrs–It is into most of softwares from middlewares,server, cloud,distributed system to OS & embedded system.
            So comparing MS with amazon is churlish–

            Google has just started its cloud biz & the new CEO joined 6 months ago!

          • jigsaww

            Calling me dumb will not elevate you to echelons of human intelligence. Read about how Huawei used Hardware and Handsets to dismember established players like Ericsson to become world’s biggest vendor.
            These are stupid loser excuses. Lenovo has done to motorolla what motorolla coildn’t do. Amazon has transformed into new amazon because of its hardware and services. Microfost couldnt make its tranformation into hardware and services company because of wrong leadership choice and it will never happen under mr.satya. you can write that on your stomach to remember.
            You are basically an idiot who lacks basic sense in everything, it just dawned on me.

          • MT

            Manufacturing plants of electronics are located in china including Foxcnon which makes 10-15% of worlds pcb

            How can US and european software companies compete with chinese copy cat and new brands such as Xiomi,lenovo as these companies have already bought Nokia, Motorola and IBM hardware-

            How hard is for to understand that there is no room for new players in top niche touch pad,mobile phone market- Samsung, Iphone and chinese companies have left no room!
            Companies such as Nokia, Blackberry got bankrupt despite having 20-30 yrs experience of making and selling phones!

            Ericsson or be it any other telecom companies such as Cisco,Juniper have all moved towards high end services as premiere product solution so that it becomes possible to compete with Hyuwei,ZTE who mainly provide cheap basic networking switch,router and other hardware for network systems

            Apple is able to sustain its business by making good business clients in china with foxconn where it supports its vendors & bribes chinese govt officials to avoid any leak of its new product!

            Amazon is almost nowhere in hardware business. They wrote up 200 mill$ in some stupid phone launched last year

            I can understand that madrassa graduate treat cloud, network strorage & web services as hardware business. Kindle readers and pad are the only hardware sold by amazon

            Amazon core business is e-retailing and next comes cloud–Other businesses will get wrapped up over next decade

          • jigsaww

            Keep giving excuses. nothing will change the fact that Microsoft’s future in hardware tech has been single handedly screwed by the idiot indian heading it, whose pimping you are paid to do. also, this madrassa graduate madrassa graduate…you know it’s a little bit cheesy now when you keep repeating that shit- Your indian ass is getting owned every time you open your filthy mouth.

          • MT

            1. Microsoft (MSFT) shares climbed Tuesday on bullish notes from two investment banks and expectations for a news-filled Build developers conference, which starts Wednesday in San Francisco.

            Microsoft’s commercial cloud business ended the December quarter with an annual revenue run rate of over $9.4 billion. That’s up more than 70% year over year, with more than 350 of the Fortune 500 companies now using two or more Microsoft cloud offerings, Thill said.

            2. Microsoft Cloud Sales A Year Ahead Of Goal

            The business is well ahead of schedule in its efforts to reach management’s stated goal of a $20 billion run rate in the fiscal year ending June 2018, he said. Microsoft’s goal assumes a 35% compound annual growth rate.

            3. Microsoft Unveils Ubuntu for Window

            4.Microsoft doesn’t need Windows anymore
            => Windows revenue down 5% in the last quarter, despite Windows 10

          • jigsaww

            Microsoft used to be a big player in PC industry, now it’s just a victim of an indian’s shitty strategies. It’s gonna go down the drain.
            Mr.Satya has killed singe handedly microsoft’s hardware venturing before it ever launched.

          • MT

            When did MS make any PC??
            It was always an OS company- Dumbass, Microsoft sold record no of window 10 but the revenue from other sources such as cloud, microsoft office far exceed Window OS revenue

            Do remember that MS windows continue to have 70-60% market share in OS business—

            I dont expect sense and pragmatic reasoning from madrassa graduates who doesnt even understand basic computer terminologies such as PC, hardware and software.

          • jigsaww

            I work with dhoti indians every day. The levels of stupidity indians bring to the table is beyond all level available for ranking low IQ. This foot long garbage is simply a manifestation of that and the hate indians have. And i can’t spoonfeed you anymore, i do that to your fellow country men all day and i’m sick of it. Idiots.

      • MT

        Indian Air Force – 8 Akash squadrons + 7 on order[55][56] (each squadron has 48-125 missiles)[71]
        Indian Army – with modifications – 2 Akash regiments (one regiment is equal to 5 or 6 squadrons)[71]

        =>2 regiment for army is like 12 squadron which is worth 2bill $ orders.
        =>15 squadrons for iaf is worth 2.5bill $ orders.

        ##>So why should army order more akash batteries?

        AKASH 1st gen receiving 4-5 bill $ order is sufficient to drive future akash 2.0 and akash next gen

    • Mustafa O

      First try to make tweety bird get airborne. Then you should even open your filthy mouth

      • MT

        Tejas is under mass production. FOC scheduled mid year.
        Production at HAL on its way to double 16 unit tejas production yearly from 2017-18

  • Mohsin E.

    This might be a controversial opinion, but I think that aeronautical engineering has already peaked… Unless there’s a major breakthrough in the fundamental sciences, the tech/engineering will remain stagnant… In other words, there’s not going to be any major shift in capability, like from propellors to jets, from radio to radar, guns to missiles… Even all of this was just technology catching up with the physics, which was way ahead the whole time… but physics has been stuck now for a long time, and therefore the engineering curve will level off.

    Our generation loses their minds when a new iPhone comes out, they think that’s “innovation” lol. Actual progress is going from the steam engine to an electric motor, from vacuum tubes to the transistor etc. Going from Doppler to AESA is a joke by comparison.

    Even stealth was overplayed from the start… It’s not like the Nighthawks made their debut against Russia/China, but frekkin Saddam in Iraq. The first time they were deployed to Europe in combat one got shot down by the Serbs. 6th gen fighter designs may very well throw the whole “stealth” fad out the window and get back to more functional designs, as ‘anti-stealth radars’ (another funny label) get more prevalent.

    • jigsaww

      Next gen technologies on future jets will focus on optionally piloted systems, ability to carry out space and anti-satelltie warfare, laser tech, hypersonic speeds, ability to fly and guide swarms of drones and SOWs without jet itself engaging in combat, and superior sensor fusion. Stealth will anyway continue to play important role to minimize detection.

      these are the concepts around which 6th gen fighters will be deployed by both US and Russia. PAF is working on these lines.

    • I agree. I don’t think there will be a lot of additional work on airframe technology, even low-RCS concepts are under threat from VHF/UHF radars. The key will be on one conceptualizes the use of present and upcoming electronics technology. So, while the technology in of itself is not a leap from what we have today, the ability to correctly mix one’s ingredients could be a game changer.

  • SP

    F22 is already history and a lot of work is going into development of its successor, so the ACM is right that they need start thinking about a new aircraft that when in possession will be looking at countering not only the existing aircrafts but also new generations of aircrafts which may come out.
    Pakistan should avoid cooperation with Turkey and instead try to woo Russia.

  • SP

    Next generation planes will be pilotless.

  • nob

    so accoding to MT pakistan is buying everything with 7 billion dollar defence budget

  • Steve

    PAF is useless

    JF 17 is crap

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