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Top South African delegation visiting Pakistan to discuss defence

On the invitation of Pakistan’s Minister of Defence Production (MoDP) Rana Tanveer Hussain, South Africa’s Minister of Public Enterprises Lynne Brown is on an official three-day visit to Pakistan. This will conclude on Friday, November 03.

“We are very grateful to the Honourable Minister of Defence Production, Mr Rana Tanveer Hussain, for this opportunity to explore the potential to further deepen the relationship between our countries”, said Brown through a statement released by the Ministry of Public Enterprises.

Minister Brown is leading a top-level delegation to Pakistan, which includes the Director-General of the Department of Public Enterprises Mogokare Richard Seleke and Denel Group’s Chief Executive Officer (CEO) Zwelakhe Ntshepe, along with other senior government and Denel officials.

The purpose of the delegation’s visit is to explore potential areas of defence cooperation between Denel, the Pakistani defence industry and the Pakistani armed forces. According to the statement, the delegation will also visit “strategic sites” to discuss collaboratives avenues for Denel Group in Pakistan.

In March, Pakistan and South Africa signed a memorandum-of-understanding (MoU) to bolster bilateral defence ties. The MoU – titled “Defence and Defence Industrial Cooperation” –  called for the “acquisition of defence equipment as well as cooperation in Research and Development (R&D), Transfer of Technology, Co-production/Joint Ventures in public as well as private sector.”

In its 2016-2017 financial report, Denel Group listed Pakistan as one of the markets where it will maintain a presence, along with the United Arab Emirates, Algeria, Turkey, Malaysia, Brazil, Kenya, Mozambique, Oman and South Africa (i.e. its domestic market).

In 2016, Denel Land Systems had successfully trialed its T5-52 155 mm/52-calibre self-propelled howitzer (SPH) Pakistan as part of a potential bid to supply SPHs to the Pakistan Army. The Pakistan Air Force (PAF) had expressed interest in the Denel Dynamics A-Darter high-off-boresight (HOBS) air-to-air missile (AAM) for use on the forthcoming JF-17 Thunder Block-III.

Notes & Comments:

There are three areas of opportunity for Denel Group to engage the Pakistani industry.

First, the direct sale of complete systems. Denel is already in position of promising weapon systems that are ready or near-ready for sale. The A-Darter HOBS AAM has been slotted as a possible munition for the JF-17 Block-III. Likewise, Denel could also pitch the Raptor III stand-off weapon (300 km range) and Tariq precision-guided bomb (PGB) kit (100-200 km in range) as long-range strike solutions for the JF-17. Denel could also position its air defence systems – i.e. Umkhonto surface-to-air missile (SAM) and 30-mm Dual Purpose Gun (DPG) –  as an anti-air warfare (AAW) refit for Pakistan’s F-22P frigates.

Second, the co-development and co-production of future munitions and subsystems could be an avenue of bilateral interest. For its next-generation fighter acquisition plans, the PAF is intent on building a strong local industry base for both sourcing and support. Denel could position Denel Dynamics’ Marlin program, which seeks to provide a beyond-visual-range air-to-air missile (BVRAAM) and SAM from a common core platform (e.g. common dual-pulse rocket motor), for Pakistan’s next-generation AAM requirements. In its recent financial report, Denel announced that it had tested the Marlin’s technology demonstrator.

Third, industry partnerships. Denel Aeronautics and Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC) can consider co-production efforts in aircraft, aerostructures, maintenance services and other areas. It may be easier to channel these efforts through a tangible joint-program, though it remains to be seen where PAC and Denel can partner without conflicting with the requirements of their respective host countries. That said, similar efforts could also be explored in land and naval defence as well as law-enforcement realms.

While the apparent focus of this visit is to further Denel Group’s market access, the South African defence industry also has other valuable players, such as Hensoldt Optronics South Africa (HOSA). The Pakistan Navy is acquiring the HOSA SERO 250 periscope and OMS 200 optronic mast for the Khalid-class Agosta 90B submarine upgrade program. In the optronics space, there is a dearth of suitable helmet-mounted display and sight (HMD/S) systems for fighter aircraft, with Israel-based Elbit maintaining a strong position in the global market for HMD/S. There has yet to be a clear HMD/S selection for the JF-17 Block-III. This is a market opportunity for HOSA, especially since it could use the JF-17 as a base for launch orders.

Another major company is Paramount Group, which has built a strong portfolio of armoured vehicles. In particular, the Mbombe series aims to provide a diverse capability set, but with a common platform. For example, the 4×4 Mbombe 4 mine-resistant ambush-protected (MRAP) vehicle as well as 6×6 Mbombe-6 and 8×8 Mbombe-8 infantry fighting vehicles (IFV) share 80% in components. Pakistan has considered bids for AFV and MRAP solutions, but besides ordering small batches of such vehicles (mainly MRAP), Pakistan has yet to establish a firm MRAP and AFV production and induction strategy. This can be an opportunity for Paramount Group and Denel Group.



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  • by sami shahid
    Posted November 1, 2017 5:15 am 0Likes

    Very nice… pak should buy Howitzer & MRAP vehicles while we can also buy Air to Air missiles for our JF-17 block 3. Anyway, if we can interact with The paramount group then we can buy Helmet Mounted Display System from them.

  • by Fawad Alam
    Posted November 1, 2017 6:00 am 0Likes

    Good quality Helmet Mounted Display is required for JF17 with A-Darter, I wish good luck for that.

  • by ali amanat
    Posted November 1, 2017 7:08 am 0Likes

    An opportunity must not loose, specially BVR AAM AND HMD/S for jf17 block3.

  • by Asif Khan_47
    Posted November 1, 2017 10:06 am 0Likes

    T5-52 was at IDEAS 2016. Regarding A-Darter I think PAF will buy HOBS with which JF-17 avionics can be revamped.

  • by TZK
    Posted November 1, 2017 12:37 pm 0Likes

    T5-52 originally meant for India and truck made in India. If true good luck getting spare parts. Some like this HIT should be able to make.

  • by bill
    Posted November 1, 2017 1:55 pm 0Likes

    If more chances are for Chinese Aesa radar then WVR shall be Pl 10 and BVR shall be PL12 or PL15 if Italian Vixen selected( rare chances) then A Darter and Marlin will have a chance

  • by Bilal Khan
    Posted November 1, 2017 4:01 pm 0Likes

    The truck is Tatra, ie Czech Republic, not India.

  • by TZK
    Posted November 1, 2017 4:56 pm 0Likes

    The link in my first post is no longer available but another site says ‘Bharat Earth Movers Limited who are the local manufacturer for the Czech Republic Tatra 8 × 8 chassis on which the system is based.’ They probably teamed up with a local manufacturer to sweeten the deal for India. I can’t see the truck chassis and the engine mountings lasting a sustained firing.

  • by Bilal Khan
    Posted November 1, 2017 7:20 pm 0Likes

    Basically (re: Bharat Earth Movers Limited manufacturing Tatra trucks). That said, the T5-52 can be connected to another truck if need be.

  • by Bilal Khan
    Posted November 2, 2017 2:47 am 0Likes

    WVR can be independent of the radar. For short-range fights one generally uses the WVR’s own seeker to track and engage. The HMD/S is the real question because without it, the A-Darter wouldn’t be at its full potential. If a Chinese HMD/S is acquired, then it’ll likely lead to the PL-10.

  • by Syed Arbab Shah
    Posted November 2, 2017 5:56 am 0Likes

    Is it possible to test the parameters and qualities of both missiles specially against electronic jamming and choose the best or does choosing the missile largely depends on the radar choosen ?

  • by Syed Arbab Shah
    Posted November 2, 2017 5:58 am 0Likes

    Are there any chances of G6 howitzer, which can be updated with the good qualities of T5-52 howitzer?

  • by Bilal Khan
    Posted November 2, 2017 5:58 am 0Likes

    Re: A-Darter, it’s imaging infrared (IIR) so you’d test it against your IR countermeasures, e.g. flares and directed IR countermeasures (DIRCM).

    Re: active radar-homing AAM such as SD-10 and Marlin, you’d have to test it with what the EW/ECM you already have.

  • by Bilal Khan
    Posted November 2, 2017 5:59 am 0Likes

    Can’t say. In 2016 the PA specifically tested truck-mounted stuff (T5-52 and NORA B-52).

  • by Jean Racine
    Posted November 2, 2017 6:09 am 0Likes

    I’m afraid you’re relying on outdated information. For the original India requirement, a different gun was used, the Condor. And yes, the Tatra trucks were to come out of the Bharat assembly line, had Denel got the India contract.
    The current T5-52’s gun has since been updated, and the trucks come out the Czech assembly lines, as they do for the militaries of the Czech Republic, Romania, Slovakia, Saudi Arabia, Sri Lanka, Qatar, UAE, Indonesia, Italy, France, USA etc.
    You see where I’m going with this: with such disparate users, spares are abundant.

  • by Andy Markov
    Posted November 4, 2017 4:26 am 0Likes

    That’s absolutely correct, TATRA, is Czech, however the same arty was offered to India on a tata truck. The quality of local 8×8 trucks have reached the level where India doesn’t need foreign designed trucks(although manufactured in India).
    Secondly, India no longer needs truck mounted arty as indian designed ATAGS have surpassed various other arties in trials. It is more than likely that India will source more than 1800 ATAGS in coming years.

  • by TZK
    Posted November 5, 2017 3:34 pm 0Likes

    The ATAGS weighs 12T which is almost as heavy as the 203mm M115 in Pak inventory. The only copter that can lift it is the Mi-26 of which according to Wiki India have 3. Presumably it will be towed so will be used in the West whilst the M777 at 4.2T is probably intended for the mountainous eastern border. The only solution for Pak is self propelled artillery along with armed UAV’s in my view.

  • by amar
    Posted November 5, 2017 11:15 pm 0Likes

    Yes ATAGS is heavy, however it is perhaps the most powerful 155mm/52cal in the world at the moment, with a gigantic 25-27L chamber. Comparing it against M777 isnt productive in the sense that M777 is a light weight 155mm/45cal system designed to be very light and helicopter transportable. There is one Indian company named Bharat Forge that has come up with their own light weight howitzer design–155mm/45 cal system weighing 4.5-5tonnes. Probably, in some time, their 155mm/45cal design will mature to the extent that India wont need M777 anymore.

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