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Pakistan reportedly orders more ASELPOD targeting pods for JF-17
October 19, 2017

Pakistan reportedly orders more ASELPOD targeting pods for JF-17

Aselsan recently secured a $24.9 million U.S. order for an undisclosed number of ASELPOD electro-optical targeting pods. Aselsan registered the sale with the Public Disclosure Platform (KAP) on May 26, 2017.

Turkish news publishers, such as the Daily Sabah, have reported that the customer is Pakistan, which made a $25 million order for ASELPOD targeting pods in June 2016.

The Pakistan Ministry of Defence Production (MoDP) listed the 2016 order in its 2015-2016 yearbook as a $24.9 million order for eight pods for the Pakistan Air Force (PAF).

At Pakistan’s biennial defence exhibition IDEAS in November 2016, Aselsan officials confirmed that the company delivered its first batch of ASELPOD pods to PAF. The company also confirmed that it was in talks with the PAF for additional ASELPOD pods.

The ASELPOD will enable the PAF’s JF-17s to deploy laser-guided bombs by having the ASELPOD illuminate targets with a laser designator. The ASELPOD can also provide geo-location coordinates, which can be primed to INS/GPS precision-guided bombs, such as the Range Extension Kit (REK). In theory, it could also enable the JF-17 to effectively use laser-guided missiles, provided the PAF pursues such munitions.

Aselsan is establishing itself as one of Pakistan’s leading defence suppliers.

Since 2013, it has supplied Pakistan with software defined radios and remote-controlled weapon stations (RWS). Along with the ASELPOD, in 2016 Aselsan also secured a contract to supply the ARES-2SC/NS electronic support measures (ESM) system for the Pakistan Navy’s Agosta 90B submarines.

Currently, Aselsan is vying to outfit the Pakistan Army’s al-Khalid 2 main battle tank (MBT) with its electro-optical, communications and other electronics equipment. It is also pitching the Korkut self-propelled anti-air gun to the Pakistan Army. The Pakistan Navy’s MILGEM Ada corvette acquisition will likely see the inclusion of Aselsan systems, such as ESM, sonar and RWS, among others. The T129 attack helicopter, which Pakistan is reportedly interested in acquiring, is also equipped with major Aselsan subsystems, such as electro-optical sensors, avionics and countermeasures.

  • Hassan Raza

    Hi Bilal,

    Since India has signed rafale deal I am keenly observing Jf-17 block 3 because both fighter jets will be joining in 2019 to their relevant air forces. Now with AESA radar, helment mounted display, mach 2+ speed and BVR capability can Jf-17 block 3 take on/dogfight with rafale?

    • Aaif khan

      Dogfight is mostly about the experience of pilots. Those who buys the most experience and maintenance are the best pilots for dogfights.

      I think rafale has advance radar system that will help its pilot to track jf17 from long distance and so the pilot will adjust itself in a better attacking position. Plus rafale is armed with meteor AAM, you need to read about it. It’s amazingly dangerous.

      Again, it will not be much difficult for the experienced pilot to deal rafale with mach2+ speed, advance Air to air missile, HMDS and descent AESA and EW/ECM.

    • ahmria

      I’m not convinced that the block 3 will be a match for the Rafale as the Rafale already has stealth reduction coatings, AESA radar and has now been passed to use the meteor air to air missile which is a lethal combination. My personal opinion is that the Rafale in Indian service is a much more potent fighter than their SU 30 MKI. It sensor fusion is also cutting edge. The block 3 will be a very good fighter for Pakistan but I think it will more likely take the role of a work horse fighter replacing our Mirages and F7 jets as opposed to the higher end of the spectrum.

      • Rehan

        In presence of missiles Pakistan poses (by conventional means). I think the first layer of attacked should be by missiles and damage assessment by drones. Meanwhile fighter aircraft’s defending main land waiting for target to be soft. Once any enemy aircraft cross in Pakistan we have quite a few EYES to look and assess rather then just depending on aircraft’s AESA. I think in this role PAF will have an strong back over enemy aircraft.

    • MT

      Please stop comparing 3-4th gen tech with 4.5 gen French
      Can block 3 compete with tejas.
      Well as of now tejas Mk 1 tejas have better

      1.engine : GE IN20 vs rd93
      2. Twr : same weight but more Thrust bcz of powerful General electric engine
      3. Litening pod: 3rd gen Israeli vs 2nd gen Turks
      4.bvraam : world top3 bvr Israelis derby vs Chinese sd10
      5.radar : state of art Israelis elta 2032 vs Chinese
      6.hmds and hobs : jf don’t have it
      7. Avionics and digital fly by wire
      8.better instantaneous turn rate(ITR)
      And slightly better sustained turn rate STR .
      Wing loading of tejas(wt/area) is lower than jf17 so ITR of tejas is very high.

      Tejas has an STR advantage over the Viper C/D at all speeds, and over the Viper A/B above Mach 0.65 so it had better STR than jf17.

      9. Composite vs almost no composite giving high rcs for jf17

      Once jf17 gets Chinese aesa then tejas ll have more reliable tested nd stable Israeli elta 2052 variant.

      • sam

        lol, that is why your own navy rejected it as useless paper plane.

        • MT

          Do you understand meaning of naval version.
          single engine 90 KN Thrust from GE in tejas isnt sufficient for aircarrier operation. As compared to 2300 feet acceleration in normal take off version for air force;
          300-500 feet acceleration from carrier catapult isn’t safely possible from tejas naval despite it having more aerodynamic capability such as levcon
          And far superior engine than rd93

          Mig29,rafale M and most naval variants Used from carrier are dual engine powered

          • ahmria

            I thought the Indian carriers have ski
            Jumps? I’m
            Pretty sure that the Indian navy tested Tejas naval variant using ski
            Jumps and the results were not good that’s why they bought Mig29k for the carriers. The politicians are forcing Tejas on the Air Force and navy and both
            services are not keen on them.

          • MT

            Well u r right abt ski jump.
            Navy tested two versions of Tejas variant from Goa shore based test facility and videos are available online.
            The navy believed that Tejas won’t be able to jump from carrier once fully loaded so eventually it’s the engine capacity which is stopping naval version of Tejas.

            Airforce is very happy with mk1 and it’s most desired platform to replace migs.

            Tejas flight envelope is in league with f16 nd mirage 2000 nd Israeli system make it a perfect 4th gen fighter

          • ahmria

            Tejas is at best a replacement for the mig21 and is like the JF17 a work horse fighter. The high end of the spectrum will be the Rafale until India manages to induct the T50.

        • Mohammed Owafiuddin

          Our navy rejected it because it want 4.5 gen heavy duty, long range fighter and not a dedicated support interceptor… So navy want to get rafale m or F/A18 super hornet… U must understand Tejas designed to replace mig21 and mig27 and not su30mki or mug 29upg or mirage 2000…please for god sake don’t compare jf 17 with rafale or su30mki… If a 25 million dollars jf17 is better than su30mki then Chinese wouldn’t waste time in procuring 60million dollar j11, su30mkk… Please don’t comment for the sake of commenting… At least check the specifications before uttering nonsense… Do u know with mounting meteor bvraam in rafale or k100 novator in su30mki Indian aircraft wouldn’t require to cross IB to get Pakistani aircraft…. These BVRAAMS are also play role of dedicated AWACS killer… And also integration of Brahmos in su30mki can get any Pakistani ground target without crossing IB… Please cross check what I have said before coming to any conclusion… I am not writing 1%xtra for what is actual… Jai hind

          • U

            LoL

          • prado

            deluded as usual…assuming Su30s wont crash before launch.

            so when are you guys going to release the surgical strike videos?? we are still waiting

          • ahmria

            I think the SU-30 is a fine aircraft except in Indian service where it seems to be taking the mantle of flying coffin from the Mig21.

          • MT

            8crashes out of 230 aircraft is nt bad.
            Russian have higher crash ratio..
            Pak f16 dont fly half of sorties India does with su30

          • Amir Khan

            hahaha, good joke

          • Mohd Sam Anwari

            Then u have forgoten babur missile, it can do the same job as brahmos, and ur navy still uses and orders mig29k, with the same rd93 engine.
            This is called nonsense when rd93 with 17 thunder is useless and the same engine with ur navy platforms are superior.
            But record speak for itself.
            In last 10 years dozens ur so called superior planes has been crushed during training (forget about actual fight) And see pakistani planes record even during operation

          • MT

            India used rd33mk nd more advanced upgrades in mig 29UPG nd mig29k

        • Mahar Tahir Nawaz

          Indian always jealous don’t acept reality

      • U

        Hi MT, Can you please briefly state what defines a pod as second or third generation? As I would like to see how ASELPOD compares with Damocles, Sniper and the Israeli Pod.
        Can’t find it online.

        • Abdul Rashid

          Maybe I can help with that.

          Any equipment, once supplied to Pakistan, is automatically a generation behind the competition.

          • MT

            Days are not far once Pakistani expert ll start calling hisar sam better than Israeli spyder, python

            1.How many aselpod has Turkey manufactured.
            2.Which gen of flir sensor they use
            3. How stable and matured is Turkish product
            4. Capabilities of embedded software built in Israel vs Turkey which is the crux of laser designator MWIC hardware

            Israel made their first pod in 90s and came up with 640x 512 resolution of MWIC litening II ER in 2001 while aselpod is the first pod built by aselpod having same resolution as litening II developed few yrs ago

            That’s why I said Tejas litening III is a gen ahead of aselpod

            4.Israeli have built many 100s litening pods used in f16, su30 while turks are just new entrant in this industry

          • Türker Demircan

            MT….Why you are spending all of your time for low quality Turkish products? Keep purchasing state of the art Israeli ones…like we were doing in 1990s…See, we are three decades front about that..

            And stop comparing Israel with Turkey…Israel has strategic relations with US, 3,5 billions USD/year for defence and any kind of support from US..

            Other side, Turkey cannot receive any critic defence equipment from US…ASELPOD borned thanks to US not giving LANTIRN pods to us

          • Khalid bin Walid

            ASELPOD and ASELFLIR are even better than the israeli ones

          • MT

            Accepted that’s why Israel have sold 1200pods in Last2decades with portfolio of 5gen pods

            Turkey sold barely 20

          • Khalid bin Walid

            Europe wouldn’t dare to buy Turksih products as long as there is an Israeli option, because the US and Israel would exert too much pressure on them to buy from Israel. You aren’t a part of the West if you aren’t supporting Israel, simple as that. Turkey was often under NATO pressure in the past, when they wouldn’t buy their equippment from US or Israel (last time due to the planed sale of HQ 9 systems and now because of S400). Even if Turkey wanted to produce their own stuff, the West boycotted the sale of sub-systems.

            The thing is only Muslim allies would buy and support Turkish industries, but usually these countries don’t have the money to equip their whole army with this stuff and because if they buy in the West they get credits and discount (because it is subsidized from their gov.)
            Thats why Aselsan doesnt sell as much stuff!

            My point wasn’t the number of sales of ASELPOD, it was the technical superiority of ASELPOD in comparison to LITENING III and your shi**y analysis of Tejas beeing better equipped than the JF17. Even you should be able to compare the data between both. ASELPOD is better in every point!

          • Mohd Sam Anwari

            So do u basically mean that because india is new entrant to cruise missile production its quality and technology is same as 1960-70 cruise missiles of USA or russia.
            It does not mean that because its their first entry its quality is inferior.
            Do not forget that 90% turkish military export market is EU and USA. so i am sure west is not fool to buy turkish product and not from their child in israel.
            It means their is an advantage, either price or quality.
            Component sharing and production of f-35 is much more with turkish sub-contrators then their israeli counter parts.
            Maybe turkey is joint partner of f-35
            But its workshare is only after US, UK and italy.
            If you are expert, u can easily understand why

          • Khalid bin Walid

            OMG THIS BOY HAS NO CLUE, IGNORANT AS USUAL

            Just stay to the facts boy ! ASELPOD is a 4Gen Targeting Pod far superior of the Israeli Litening III with far higher resulution, higher immage processing power and algorithms, even a far wider field of view than the Israeli one despite their long experience in this field !
            YOU HAVE NO CLUE WHAT YOUR ARE TALKING ABOUT. And dont even come with Indian “Technology” India doesnt have the minds and resources to build anything its all cheap and poorly made stuff from scrap materials like your tatas. without foreign help india cant achieve anything. Just go step by step and start with proper streets and a functioning waste disposal….

            JUST COMPARE THE DATA !

            http://www.aselsan.com.tr/en-us/capabilities/electro-optic-systems/air-platforms/aselpod-advanced-targeting-pod

            IR: 640×512
            TV: 768×576
            Fields of View (FOVs)
            (Horizontal)
            IR: 0.8° – 4.0° – 28°
            ​ TV: 0.8° – 4.0°

            Israeli LITENING III
            http://www.ultra-cis.com/resourses/Litening%20III%20-%20secured.pdf

            IR: 640×480
            0.77°- 2,8°- 21°

            SO YEAH THE JF 17 IS BETTER EQUIPpED AND FAR SUPERIOR THAN THE INDIAN “MADE” ONE.

          • Khalid bin Walid

            “Days are not far once Pakistani expert ll start calling hisar sam better than Israeli spyder, python”

            Maybe it is how could you now without testing ???
            Maybe we should bind you to the roket and shoot you up in the sky, so you can tell us the differences. Mr “Expert”.

          • Aaif khan

            Don’t waste your time on them. It’s Ramadan. Recite Quran as much as you can. Don’t even waste a minute.

      • Khalid bin Walid

        Just stay to the facts boy ! ASELPOD is a 4Gen Targeting Pod far superior of the Israeli Litening III with far higher resulution, higher immage processing power, algorithms even a far wider field of view than the Israeli one despite their long experience in this field !
        YOU HAVE NO CLUE WHAT YOUR ARE TALKING ABOUT. And dont even come with Indian “Technology” India doesnt have the minds and resources to build anything its all cheap and poorly made stuff from scrap materials like your tatas. without foreign help india cant achieve anything. Just go step by step and start with proper streets and a functioning
        waste disposal….

        JUST COMPARE THE DATA !

        http://www.aselsan.com.tr/en-us/capabilities/electro-optic-systems/air-platforms/aselpod-advanced-targeting-pod

        IR: 640×512
        TV: 768×576
        Fields of View (FOVs)
        (Horizontal)
        IR: 0.8° – 4.0° – 28°
        ​ TV: 0.8° – 4.0°

        Israeli:
        http://www.ultra-cis.com/resourses/Litening%20III%20-%20secured.pdf

        IR: 640×480
        0.77°- 2,8°- 21°

        SO YEAH THE JF 17 IS BETTER EQUIPpED AND FAR SUPERIOR THAN THE INDIAN “MADE” ONE.

      • ahmria

        MT we know your opinion on what a super jet the Tejas is. I’m surprised that the Indian Air Force actually bothered buying SU-30 and Rafale when in fact they should have an all Tejas fleet. ??

        • MT

          Didn’t expect such naive reasoning from u.

          All of it are defined different roles.

          1.Tejas is single engine low range multi role fighter for point defence of 500km combat operations.
          Tejas ll replace mig21 nd mig27.
          Hal has order books of 120 Tejas mk1 nd mk1a.

          2.Su30 is heavy fighting machine carrying tons of weapons with range of 1500km

          3. rafale is best 4.5 gen fighter for moderate range up to 1000km

          • Khalid bin Walid

            Please stop with all this bs. Tejas cant even compete with f4s and f16s

    • Aaif khan

      MT says ‘please, so please please for God’s sake please stop comparing jf17 with rafale. He is pleading to you. ‘Please. We will be held responsible if he commits suicide. So please please stop it.
      Please don’t hurt the sentiments of Indian and please stop comparing juñk fighter 17 which is made of home made Tin and aluminum and based on an old Soviet era design and cheeni subsystems. Leave aside tejas, jf17 will be a sitting duck in front of our mig21 and mig27. So please please stop it.

      • Mahar Tahir Nawaz

        lol tejas is scrap junk jf17 block.3 multirole advance fighter

        • Khalid bin Walid

          yes the indian tejas is junk ! And even if not our iman is enough, we have fought and won against enemies who were far superiior on paper in the past. And the Idians were never known for their will on the battlefield. Ramadan mubarak to everyone <3

          • Headstrong

            If only emotional responses could win battles and wars…
            All of the iman of you people came to no avail in the past.
            Ramzan Mubarak to you too 🙂

          • Aaif khan

            We believe that victory and lose comes from none but God.
            It is the emotions of 30k Afghan Taliban that is winning the war against U.S.
            And We also see the fear of this mad emotions among our enemy.

          • Headstrong

            Normally, I wouldn’t even respond to the likes of you. But just this once…
            For a while now you’ve been posting comments designed to convince everyone here that you’re some sort of disgruntled Indian. But the tenor of your comments along with some plain ignorance suggests otherwise.
            If you are indeed Indian, you do nothing more than reinforce the worst stereotypes attempted to be propagated by the RSS type thugs, to which most Indians don’t subscribe, notwithstanding the efforts of the likes of you to spread.
            If you’re not, you reinforce another stereotype of the desperation of you people.
            Either way, sir, you are beneath contempt.

          • Khalid bin Walid

            And the victory of afhgan mujahidin against the russians.

  • Kazmi

    This is good move towards the capacity and capability building of PAF’s JF 17 fleet and will make the weapon system more lethal by giving the accuracy and preciseness to the weapons delivery system. However, it is not clear how many pods PAF is procuring in addition to the 16 already demanded. I shall be grateful if some one could let me know. Regards

  • Amir

    I seriously doubt the JF17B3 can take on the Rafale.

    • Ali Afzal

      All depends on the training & experience

      • FAUJI JAT

        If you are underestimating the IAF then you are making a mistake.

    • Saptarshi Dasgupta

      Why do you guys always talk about taking on India. India will never attack pakistan. Our enemy is not pakistan . Our enemy are the kashmiri jihadis who operate out of pakistan. No war will ever take place. Just small skirmishes across border against kashmiri jihadis. This world is for economic development and both pakistan and india wont go for a nuclear war and destroy the progress we have made. Yes there are tension between we hindus and you muslims but we have to move away from the past mentality. Post Globalization no war. And certainly no Nuclear war. Your f-16 , jf-17 and our su/30 , migs ,tejas , rafale for defence only.

  • Abdul Rashid

    “……..comparing fighter with fighter in isolation without a holistic view….”.

    Up-voted your comment on that final point.

  • Rehan

    Bilal what will be a unite estimated price if you have any previous sales knowledge. I mean Aselsan sales to any other country.

  • ahmria

    Rafale isn’t a stealth fighter but it does have radar reduction coating to reduce its radar signature in certain areas of its airframe. apart from that I agree with the rest of your assessment. I also think we should try and move onto fifth generation jets now however that’s not to say a 4++ generation fighter will still not have its uses in the missions that you have stated. In fact induction of a fifth generation fighter will be slow as that tech doesn’t come cheap even if we get a discount from the Chinese.

  • Aaif khan

    ?✌???

  • vaqas naeem

    FJ17 costs 32$ Million and Rafael cost almost 120$million. so quantity or quality in air ?

  • Headstrong

    Here we go again….
    The Su-30s are ‘as big as a barn’ but still running after Su-35s. These grapes are sour indeed.
    With Meteor and S-400, it’ll be a turkey shoot – whether the numbers are 250 or 2500.
    And the attempts to ‘solve disputes by other means’ haven’t got anywhere in 70 years. Keep attempting for 700 years, result will remain the same. Einstein’s definition comes to mind…

    • Steve

      Here is another emotional response, but something not unexpected from an Indian. Boasting about future weapons not even inducted is a typical refrain. We can start boasting about TFX but some people have the insight to know when they sound nonsensical. The Su-35 or J-11 we seek (and will probably get) are for long range naval attacks on your ships attempting a blockage, not to get AWACS operators excited. As far as your ‘Turkey shoot’ Americanised comment (again with non inducted weapons), that remains to be seen. We are not an insignificant power and you guys know it.

  • Abdul Rashid

    Timur, I had to edit out large sections of your comment to bring it anywhere close to Quwa requirements for posting. Please be mindful of the language you use. On this occasion I have acceded to your request to not let your effort go to waste.

  • Aaif khan

    Relax, he is just another RSS chaddi with a fake Muslim name. I live in between these people they are obsess with fake names. They are full of hatred. Everywhere i see, peoples have been radicalised and India has become a terrorist and fascist Nation.

    • Steve

      Thanks for the insight. I must admit I have never been and have no plans to visit. It does not seem to be a happy place ATM. Not with middle aged guys doing exercises in the morning wearing baggy shorts, and the difficulty in getting a Big Mac. I think it is banned isn’t it? Possibly at some stage if sanity is restored to see Mughal monuments, after all they were our ancestors 😉 Apologies to the mods; if you think this is offensive to our cross border friends, don’t mind this deleted, but it is factual. Just having fun 😉 Lol

      • Aaif khan

        You should come here and see the emerging neo fascist India.
        Security won’t be a big problem as long as you don’t disclose your Pakistani origins. if you do, than you might end up sleeping on road because they won’t let you check in to hotel. Hatred for Pakistan is at its peak.

  • Ali Afzal

    Wow… good to know. Now Pakistan should look for a new engine like Mach 1.8

  • Khalid bin Walid

    “1 Pakistani soldier = 10 Indian soldier”
    I see nothing controversial about it

  • Abdul Rashid

    Thanks.

    We try to include all shades of opinion as far as reasonably possible. And yes, news of Pakistan’s defence-related procurement does get some Quwa regulars a little over-excited.

    Regarding not replying and staying calm, often that precisely is the reply to non-serious comments. Ability to remain calm is a strength, dude!

  • Headstrong

    I fully get it, ‘Steve’, that your post was meant for a Pakistani audience. Sorry to burst the bubble 🙂

  • Headstrong

    Once in a while, it’s good to burst some bubbles building up here. Just to add a dash of reality 🙂

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