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Opinion: Pakistan needs to step back from new F-16s
June 23, 2017

Opinion: Pakistan needs to step back from new F-16s

 

In the latest round of criticism directed towards the White House, a number of U.S. lawmakers have raised fresh concerns about the Obama administration’s decision to sell eight Lockheed Martin F-16C/D Block-52+ multi-role fighters to Pakistan.

The deal, which was set at $700 million U.S., involved eight aircraft as well as maintenance support.

The White House originally planned to subsidize the sale through the Foreign Military Financing (FMF) program. Close to 50% of the contract was to be supported by FMF under the pretext of supporting the Pakistan Air Force (PAF)’s counter-terrorism efforts.

However, key factions of Congress were not convinced that public funds should go towards backing the sale. In fact, some would even rather the U.S. walk away from it entirely.

At this point, it should be abundantly evident that there is enough political friction in American political circles to scuttle most big-ticket arms sales and transfers to Pakistan.

The PAF – and Pakistani armed forces generally – need to ascertain whether the struggle and chastisement is worth it, especially for so few aircraft. Granted, the F-16s are the ideal solution for the interim, especially given the fact that the PAF already possesses the maintenance infrastructure to readily induct them, but does that alter the reality that these birds are becoming increasingly onerous to acquire? What is the point of this dependency when one must endure chastisement from foreign politicians (over the sacrifices made by many Pakistanis since Pakistan’s decision to support the U.S. War on Terror)?

Given that Pakistan was still going to pay for a portion of the contract, would it not be wise to direct those funds towards the JF-17 program instead? One can rightly argue that the F-16 is the superior system, especially in terms of range and payload. However, Pakistan has authority over the JF-17, and as such, it has the right to undertake the upgrades and modifications it desires.

It is not the F-16 that will carry the Ra’ad air-launched cruise missile (ALCM), it will be the JF-17. It is not the F-16 that will carry stand-off weapons such as H-2 or H-4, it will be the JF-17. In fact, the nucleus of the PAF’s suppression of enemy air defence (SEAD) capability stems from anything but the F-16; the MAR-1 was integrated onto the Mirage and JF-17. The PAF has not even secured the AIM-9X for the F-16, and it will probably not be able to get U.S. approval to integrate the IRIS-T. Once more, it will be the JF-17 that will introduce a high off-boresight (HOBS) air-to-air missile (AAM).

It has to be asked – what new qualitative capability is the $70-80 million a unit F-16 Block-52+ bringing to the PAF? The JF-17 Block-III is the only platform in the PAF’s pipeline that will assuredly bring active electronically-scanned array (AESA) radars (and HOBS AAM, stand-off strike munitions, etc) to the main PAF fighter fleet. Moreover, even in areas where the JF-17 is deficient, the PAF at least has the freedom to iterate and upgrade the platform’s subsystems at a pace that is quicker than that of the F-16.

While the F-16 was certainly the leading catalyst for introducing new qualitative capabilities to the PAF five or six years ago, there is nothing in the F-16 pipeline that is going to bring the PAF subsystems such as AESA radars, or HOBS AAM, or even munitions for SEAD. Stringent end-user requirements put in place by the U.S. will inhibit the PAF from quickly integrating new subsystems and weapons onto the F-16. The fact that the JF-17 Block-III is poised to take on AESA radar sooner than the F-16 is proof of this fact.

If the PAF was going to commit $270-350 million U.S. in national funds towards new F-16s, would it not be better to simply invest those precious funds into the JF-17 program? It is certain that the JF-17 Block-III will be a comparatively pricier aircraft compared to the JF-17 Block-II, so why dilute the funding capacity by putting a portion of it towards an evidently indifferent (if not potentially harmful) supplier?

With the JF-17, the PAF’s supply channel is split between an increasingly capable domestic base and a more dependable foreign supplier (i.e. China). Not only does the PAF benefit from being able to assuredly operate the JF-17 in times of crises (by having access to an abundance of spare parts and being able to produce attrition replacements), but it can also operate it in a more affordable manner (by tapping into the costs of local production, or in the worst case scenario, import from China).

Let us assume that $270 million U.S. was set aside to take risks; why take a risk with America? Why not spend that money towards the risky route of enhancing Pakistan’s domestic development base? Why not incur the risk of putting that money down towards the AVIC FC-31 next-generation fighter? There are many other risky avenues to embrace (such as trying to locally develop ECM suites), why waste it on F-16s that do not alter the qualitative gap between India and Pakistan in any way?

We have reached a stage where pursuing new-built F-16s has become less of engaging in a trade-off (political uncertainty for qualitative edge or improvement), and more of besetting Pakistan and the Pakistan Air Force with an unnecessary burden (and embarrassment on the international stage). This is the moment where a strong and uncompromising policy towards self-dependence needs to be embraced. The short-term may be arduous, but the foundations laid today will be of immense benefit tomorrow.

  • Khan

    “One can rightly argue that the F-16 is the superior system”
    Isn’t block3 of Jf17 with AESA radars,HOBS AAM etc better than these f16s excluding payload and range aspects?

    • Sentence was in context of Block-I/II

  • Ashi Sidhu

    F 16 cost per flying hour 22000$
    Rafale 14000$
    Gripen 4000$
    Jf 17 would have it around that of gripen or even less than that certainty f 16 line is now almost scuttled by India .Pak better focus on jf 17 which should have unit cost Half of f 16

    • Zill e Hussnain

      what is your source of information about F-16’s operational cost ? Rafael is duel engine and F-16’s are single engine thn how come the operational cost of F-16 is far above the Rafael ?

      • Abdul Rashid

        The information source of choice for Indians on Pakistan related defence topics is most probbably a quick hate-fuelled “forced” Google search to yield the “information” their little, pathetic minds are desperate to find.

      • Sami Shahid

        he is a Randian hindu….he will never tell you the truth…he will always try to fool you

    • jigsaww

      You have quoted wrong figures.

      • Ashi Sidhu

        Search: f 16 cost per flying hour
        U would get lots of trusted sources

        • jigsaww

          this is from jane’s. do you even know what that means?

    • jigsaww

      It is like this.

    • Mustafa O

      Not agreed. Cost of ops of f16 is mucg esser than rafale. But gripen ofcourse is more cost effective

    • Shameel

      Cost of 1 hour F-16 flight to PAF is around PKR 700,000, which comes to around USD $7,000.

  • Shershahsuri

    Well I think that US administration still wish to procure Pakistan with those F-16s. But It will be better if Pakistan forget US aid and take this opportunity to further improve indigenous production and explore other trusted means for cutting edge military hardware.

  • bla bla

    Well done USA stop interfering in Pakistan and stop backing corrupt politicians and Mafia like Nawaz and Zardari in Pakistan . Push Pakistan to stand on its on feet . PAF should focus on developing JF17 block 3 more actively . More latest induction of jets should be SU 35 , J10 C few squadrons .If possible 24 SU 34 and ask Saudi arab for a couple of Euro fighter for a long term lease

  • M. I. Aslam

    IMO its good as far as Pakistan’s indigenous efforts are concerned. Last time they stopped F 16 we developed JF 17, I’m pretty certain this time (Inn Shaa Allah) we’ll come up with a better solution. As Pak-Russia relations are improving we may (keeping fingers crossed) end up with Su 35. Once we have to pay then why not for a better option.

  • jigsaww

    Excellent thoughts and very well written. To the point. Precise.

    Exactly what we’ve said before. There is absolutely no sense in buying the F-16s if they are to come under stringent conditions, risk of sanctions, and are technically under US watch. So long as US was funding the campaign, it was still understandable. Not any more.

    If from here, PAF revisits the episode of 90’s with technical and spare parts sanctions (and by all means PAF should expect that and start thinking on cannibalising some of its F-16s at some point like Irani F-14s, i said this 6 months ago), the whole responsibility of making a mess out of F-16s fleet would solely lie on PAF decision makers for investing in a platform where US had deceived Pakistan already in the past.

    I’ve said this before. With block 3 on the verge, it will outmatch F-16 block 52s in pretty much every aspect to become the spearhead of the fleet with F-16s going into support mode.

    What PAF should try doing now is to making sure that the spare parts keep coming until 2030 when early F-16s will start retiring, double down on JF-17 3 and take it to next level. Why keep it to zones of “low cost” fighter. Integrate AESA, IRST, HMD, 5th gen BVR and WVR long range missiles, new engine, composites, full FBW and EW systems, and stop buying anything from US. At present, the JF-17 is still a support fighter. PAF needs to bring it to mainstream standard. That is where funds should be directed, while thinking on J-31 or TFX.

    Pakistan needs to understand the way US works and it’s unfortunate in a long relationship they haven’t been able to. The more dependence you show towards US, the more it will move away from that ally.

    • BIL

      I humbly beg to differ here from your views as still the F16 shall remain main air defense fighter jet of PAF even after induction of JF17 block-III which is estimated to start exactly with induction of Rafael in IAF from 2018. We still require much more air power even now to match our adversary.

      If we are not able to get required permissions to up grade our F16s than this is purely incapacity of our Foreign Ministry. Further even after induction of 5th gen jets PAFshall require them. We have example of Mirage-iii/v still flying without any French support. If PAF has managed this in the past they will do same in future. Outsiders can’t asses situation accurately.

      • jigsaww

        Your F-16s do not have IRST, AESA. They have a good radar but its a PD radar. They’re only BVR capable with not having 5th gen WVR missiles. They are the frontline fighters currently, but with JF-17 block 3 loaded with a good AESA, APS, IRST, HMD, possibly new engine, and 5th gen WVR missiles and precision strike pods, you can decide yourself if block 52s will form the mainstay or JF-17s in terms of capability. On top of that, your JF-17s are hooked up to your AWACS and not solely dependent on GPS without running into risk of being cut off.

        They will continue to be used. That’s not the point. The point is where does your future lie and figuring out where PAF wants to go from here. Revisit 90’s or decide for itself.

      • MT

        block 3 still in design phase

        hw ll pak induct in 24months

        • jigsaww

          Not like hindustan raised its pilot to jet ratio to 1.3 in one year and availability of its fleet to 65% in 6 months.

          lol.

          • MT

            I never said its 65%

            cag report says aroundv0.58-0.60

            india trains so many new pilotsba year

            but pilot ratio never went down below 1.2

          • jigsaww

            keep lying. keep fabricating. at least its keeping your blood pressure in check.

  • SP

    This is a blessing in disguise for Pakistan. I have been saying all along that PAF leadership needs to overcome its obsession with the US. It needs to look East. With improved relations with Russia and technological progress of China there is no reason for insession with the US. The US never was and never will be a friend of Pakistan especially as long their politicians remain enslaved to the Zionists. Best use of the funds would be either in R&D or enhancing production capacity. The money that US government owes Pakistan can instead be used to better equip and protect the frontline soldier or even the police.

  • MT

    pakistan was supposed to either hunt down taliban or get them to surrender their interests in Afghanistan.
    failure to deliver any promises despite getting 35bill $ US aid makes pakistan the most treacherous backstaber.

    why shal usa fund an enemy state given pak is full fledged ally of cheen & its people treat usa as zionist evil aftet gulping mega bill $ since 2001.
    pak was bankrupt at times of 9/11
    9/11 helped pak sustain it’s economy & made fool out of usa
    pak used American made c130 to airlift top 100 taliban leadership in 2001.

    usa have been double crossed by pakistan for 2decades while pak have got free doled weapons to keep symmetry with india armed force & Continue to sustain its cross border proxy in Afghanistan iran india.

    Well world has realised that pak can’t change. it can never give up terrorism so there ll be no free lunches.

    • jigsaww

      The lunch your gobbled up for today’s meal and 70 years before that, most likely has come from the free lunch to Hindustan called “aid”.

      • MT

        Putin have refuted to pak request.
        Pakistan needs to realise that pak ll be completely isolated if they don’t give up on good taliban,punjabi indian centric jihadi.

        Make peace deal with india & destroy 42 terror camps and accept for status quo on kashmir ; u wn’t need to buy any aircraft

        • jigsaww

          Yeah i guess that’s the kind of thinking being installed into hindustanis and minorities in hindustan. Comply to status quo. Don’t raise voice. Don’t fight for your rights. Let yourself be offered for cruelty and dont speak about it.

          Well. This ain’t hindustan and Pakistan knows how to keep hindustan in its place.

          Kashmir is an occupied territory. It will be taken back. There is no second thought on it.

          give up your terrorism export into pakistan and killing innocent kids and you will be allowed your requests.

          Otherwise, this is going to keep like this.

          • MT

            India have bigger muslim population & we know how to take care of our community

            Kashmir should remain with India & Pak should give up its expansionist policy

          • jigsaww

            Yes it’s pretty apparent how you are taking care of the community. I don’t think i need to take you to tour of oppression on minorities in Hindustan.

            You’re just one person and for that matter we don’t even know who you are and what your credentials and purpose are.

            Muslims in hindustan are oppressed and have to live up to proving their loyalty like animals to hindu castes every day. Many want to break away from Hindustan, just like sikhs, naxals, christians, and dalits. A couple of odd souls for sale do not matter. Count yourself in.

            It comes down to this. Either it will be Akhand Bharat whose wet dreams hindus and their loyalist are having or it will be greater Pakistan. The partition of subcontinent only started in 1947.

            Picture abhi baki hay.

            Hindustan will never live in harmony with other neighbours or even within, thanks to extremist hindu mindset that drives the nation. It’s just how it is.

          • MT

            shia r hardcore nationalist. we r not like narrow minded sunni who hesitate in calling we love mother india.

            lol at pakistan whose founder’s daughter chose to stay as indian.
            india ll only get more powerful ,prosperous& bigger.InshAllah. We need to educate and mainstream sunni

          • jigsaww

            Don’t bring in Shia. You are not a shia.

            You are simply a baygherat. Period.

          • MT

            Wasn’t Jihnah treated like kafir by hardcore deobandi.

          • jigsaww

            There’s people like you found everywhere, full of hate, fitnah, and jahalat. I think no one knows that better than you.

            Deoband hails from hindustan. Take your fight there.

          • Abdul Rashid

            Looks like my day to kick MT’s ass. You can take a break!

          • jigsaww

            More and more are oozing from every corner now but of course they “don’t have time for pakistan in their lives”.

            There’s an ignorance outbreak here. Hindustanis!

          • Abdul Rashid

            Oh sure they don’t have time for Pakistan! certainly not, sir! Their obsession with Pakistani ought to be recognised as a medical condition and given a name. Their pitiful existence revolves around Pakistan, the little Pluto orbiting the Sun. Indian media, politicians, Bollywood industry, the average monkey in the streets and the average keyboard warrior on defence forums all obsess over Pakistan. We rob them of their sleep. Give them waking nightmares, cause them to spew venom at ever opportunity, we tease and taunt them with our very existence. The country that despite so much smaller in size and population and despite so much odds stacked against it internationally and historically won’t bend it’s knee. Won’t let India get away with feeling like a regional superpower. Oh, how could it be so, how could this happen. Please USA, please Israel, please The World, Ganesh, Lakshmi, Kali Matha, ANYONE, just please help us!

            LOL, not effing have time for Pakistan!

          • Abdul Rashid

            “india ll only get more powerful ,prosperous& bigger”.

            Yeh munh aur masoor ki daal!

          • MT

            pakistan ll hv to come vackt in india

            fake countries can never sustain for long

            afghanistan ll get fata and pakhtoon khan while india ll have punjab sindh kashmir
            balochistan ll be given to iran

          • Abdul Rashid

            Pakistan will certainly come back in India. Agreed. Come in deep and conquer Delhi this time. That is the plan.

          • MT

            y not leak ghajiwa hind plan to ur warrior lal topi

          • Abdul Rashid

            You will love Pakistani rule. We are a nice people. The Great Pakistani Conquest will end all your misery and hate. You will be able to live a meaningful life. Sikhs, Dalits, Muslims and all other oppressed minorities will greet the Pakistani Arms with open arms. In fact once the war gets going we will assist them to stand up for their rights thus destabilising India from within while we push in from the West. Regional friends of Pakistan to also benefit from the Conquest. Tamil Nadu for Sri Lanka to administer. East India for Greater Bangladesh. The rest for Greater Pakistan with autonomous East Punjab, renamed Khalistan so Sikhs can enjoy a level freedom they have so long aspired too. Only Brahmin opressors lose out. They will be in Pakistani prisons and your leaders in handcuffs and shackles facing trial.

          • MT

            Good fiction tale picked up from book penned by Lal topi zahil hamid after he was rewarded with 100 lashes in kabootar khana jail of riyad

          • Abdul Rashid

            Now see this is where you are getting muddled up. This is not fiction. Our hearts go out to all oppressed minorities of India. Their suffering is real and gone on too long. There is nothing fictitious about any of it. The slolution will be real too.

          • Hindukush

            Again the same mistake z and j have different sounds if you are a Muslim or for that matter a non Hindu so it’s not zahil its jahil ,you fucking shit for brains Hindu

          • Abdul Rashid

            Well spotted. And in his earlier comment he said, “ghajiwa hind” this is the Hinduised pronunciation of “Ghazwa-e-Hind”. He is a LIAR of Titanic proportions but very bad at it. Even without his pronunciation to give the game away it is easy to spot he is a Hindu simply by the fact he generates the stink of 10 Hindus combined and then some!

          • Muhammad Shahid

            This stupid MT even cant pronounce “Ghazwa” instead he/she saying “ghajiwa”. Poor slum dog posing him/her self as shia muslim but speaking like typical hindus…!!!

          • Hindukush

            Games lol gajwa you fucking Hindu it’s gazwa with a zee

          • Zill e Hussnain

            Shia are a hardcore nationalist not in India but in Pakistan, in India, like most of the other Muslims, they are indifferent from the local politics, Pakistan’s founder seized all the relations with his daughter in his own life for the sake of Pakistan that is why we never had a Jinnah dynasty but you had a Nehru dynasty

          • WARRIOR

            Im a kashmiri n its our right that issue of Kashmir should be resolved according to the United nations resolution
            If we vote for Pakistan we r part of Pakistan than
            If we vote for India we r there part
            N if independent state than both countries should ascept that
            Why is running away from UN resolution u know why because India is 100% sure that kashmiri people r goona vote for Pakistan as Pakistan runs in there blood
            My grandfather gave his life during the fight against India we got AJK from Indian thugs
            N we r goona get freedom from India one day
            N if we fail there will be no India n no Pakistan in face of earth there will be no Hindu but Muslim r still gonna exist outside Pakistan
            We haven’t made nukes to just threaten Hindu
            We r goona use them if you kept going away from UN resolution

          • jigsaww

            Pakistan is ready to give right of vote to Kashmiris and this is obvious at level of every day pakistani citizen and the stalemate agreement pakistan signed with Kashmir only to become aware later that hindustan was planning a full-fledge invasion of J&K which is why the whole state of gurdaspur was given to hindustan when it belonged to pakistan to connect hindustan to J&K. The issue of J&K was deliberately created by hindus and British knowingly.

            Hindustan will never ever let Kashmiris be independent even if Pakistan agreed to it. If it ever wanted, it would not have unilaterally forced the raja of kashmir to sign the accession without caring about wishes of people.

            It has been the way of Hindustan to attack and oppress smaller nations, castes, creeds. It’s apparent in hindustan with oppression of dalits, sikhs, muslims, christians, jains, bhudists, naxals, and even women. again, Brits said about hindus, they will either sit on your throats or in your feet.

          • Abdul Rashid

            So that is now 3 Quwaites of Kashmiri ethnicity. You, me and Warrior. All 3 of us come here daily to express our heartfelt love for Mother India.

          • WARRIOR

            Thanks I know people of Pakistan love us
            N we r daily giving our lives in occupied Kashmir
            I never saw a kashmiri in ajk who wants to leave Pakistan
            Love for Pakistan is in our blood n these r not just words my eyes are full with tears
            I know NAwaz shareef policy about Kashmir is a pain for people of Kashmir but we r sure people of Pakistan r not like that thug
            When he in India said that culture and people un India r same my heart was in pain but I’m sure Pakistani people r not with his statements

          • MT

            shia of gilgit r our brothers.
            They ll side with india against wahabi deobandi paki

          • WARRIOR

            Tu ksa ghatya insan ha bai
            Let Allah decide shai is right or sunni is right

            There is no devision of shia Sunni in Pakistan
            I love every Pakistani no matter he is shia or sunni hindu or sikh
            The attacks on shia in some parts of Pakistan r done by RAW
            N if ever we r given voting rights
            90% of Kashmir is goona vote for Pakistan
            My cousin flour mil is in gilgit n in gilgit n I knwo very well that people of gilgit r more Pakistani than me
            N now there is no devision of shia Sunni there
            my advice to you is please don’t try to devide Muslim on Shia Sunni issue its Almighty who is goona decide at judgment day who is right n who is wrong
            Manny of my friends r shia n I never felt anything bad about them

          • jigsaww

            Nawaz sharif is a criminal. He is a thug. A corrupt soul. Open for sale and hindustan apparently has bought him.
            Pakistan army is in process of getting Pakistan rid of these corrupt souls and rooting out the infestation of RAW terrorism from pakistan.
            It has taken time because Pakistan has been at a very filthy war with not just hindustan but also US, UK, and dozen more countries that want it broken including the arab countries. It has taken beating but stands tall.
            Pakistani people’s hearts beat with the kashmiris which is why there is no occupation of azad kashmir, there are no curfews, no media blackouts, no AFSPA, and no amnesty intl crime reporting. If there is one region of hindustan occupied kashmir that is free from curfews and oppression, its is Azad Kashmir.
            unfortunately the matter of J&K is not resolvable by talks as it seems due to stubborness of hindustan. Hindustan never wants that. They are preparing for a war like a crazy nation but Pakistani people have neither given up on J&K and nor will they ever no matter what the political thugs say.
            Either Pakistan will go down with J&K or will put hindustan down the drain along with its akhand bharat ideology and free J&K forever. There is no other way.

        • Hindukush

          Companies like Tata and Infosys are bringing in dotheads by the thousands,can’t wait for Trump to become president and shut that pipeline off no more H1B , that alone will cost India $80 billion

          • MT

            Keep dreaming

    • If Pakistan truly wanted to be malicious towards U.S interests, then there wouldn’t have been Mizaan, Zalzalah, Rah-e-Rast, Rah-e-Nijat and Zarb-e-Azb. These were real operations, and they were – by account of those on the ground – against the Taliban proper. The influx of aid pales in comparison to the direct costs (and indirect losses) of fighting in an area we never fought in since 1947. Anyone with an iota of understanding of the reality on the ground in Pakistan would know the Army’s and nation’s sacrifices have been anything but anti-U.S. in nature.

      • MT

        taliban including ttp is creation of pak policies.
        Musharaf &;army was in contact with ttp for many long yrs.

        what everyone wants in region in peace but pak is not ready to treat others terrorist as equivalent to its own bad terrorist.
        pak just can’t give up its 3 decades policy of using proxy as its state policy.
        if there were an iota policy change in pak then we won’t be seeing continual support for afgha taliban;providing state support to lashkar toieba/hafiz saeed network;jaish muhammad/chief of jaish muhammad who continue to expand its terror madrassa network n punjab despite being involved n multiple terrorist attack & was facilitated by taliban, pak Embassy in nepal to hijack an indian airline which led to his release from indian jail

        world can’t be blind to 400 afghani dying while their terrorist leader mullah mansour an appointee of pak isi ; is getting full support of pak state & haqanni network to further weaken civilian afghanistan coalition govt

        • Again, the facts on the ground in Pakistan clearly show that the targets of the operations were not just TTP. Zarb-e-Azb was entirely devoted to the Taliban proper, hence the entry into NWA

          • MT

            Not a single afghan talibani terrorist were killed in Zarb-e-Azb operation

            PAk Foreign minister have openly accepted that Pak harbors afghan taliban leadership in quetta and peshwar shurra

          • Do you know who the ‘afghan talibani terrorist’ so well that you can seriously tell me none were killed? The Haqqani network was targeted. As to why there are still problems for the U.S. and its friendly government in Afghanistan, the Pashtun people don’t take to invaders very kindly. The British were dealing with insurgencies and problems on a routine basis until 1947.

          • MT

            I ll stop blaming pak if it treats quetta shurra & other taliban leaders protected by pak army as terrorist
            reality is that taliban has been able to overpower afghan bcoz they have full fledged support of neighbour

          • jigsaww

            Did you by any chance get a feeling that Pakistanis or Pakistan care about any blaming any whining any fabrications or anything at all by a hindustani or hindustan as whole? Oh im sorry did we just make you feel we care about it?.

            “i’ll stop blaming pak”…LOL.

          • MT

            my opinion reflects public opinion of usa uk western afghanistan iran india government

            everyone know that pak is ally of terrorist taliban & they don’t want peace in afganistan

          • jigsaww

            Your opinion reflects the 24/7 brain drain propaganda being run on the hindustani media- otherwise US/UK media is pretty clear on hindustan’s terrorist operations inside pakistan and its export to pakistan from afghanistan, the only reason hindustan has opened consulates there, as well as Amnesty intl reports on crimes committed by terrorist hindustani army.

            what pakistan knows is that and world bodies have time and again seconded that, hindustan is destabalizing pakistan since its inception.

            You don’t have to go out too far to believe that, just ask you heart. The hate you have for pakistan as a hindustani is unprecedented and the thing that gives you empty souls joy is every news of pakistani innocent kids being killed at hands of hindustani RAW. you know this in your heart.

          • MT

            us uk & china acknowledged pak overt role in using state sponsored terrorism while india is icon of peace

            we r land of buddhs & we have tolerated 100 terrorist punjabi camps in pakisan including dawood shakeel nd other indian fugitive terrorist operating from isi safehouse in karachi

          • Hindukush

            Who died and left you incharge my gay Hindu friend

          • Muhammad Shahid

            No u keep blaming – who cares of a mad indian black slum dogs…!!! For ur info, since the arrest of Indian Raw agent Kalbhoshan yadev, Pak have arrested about 500 more members of this RAW network resulting in significant decline in terrorist attacks inside Pakistan. Soon remaining will also be eliminated. BTW “YOUR RAW MONKEY IS STILL WITH US”.

          • MT

            Yadav was arrested by Sunni Taliban faction from iran balochistan while he was travelling with all his legal documents

            He was later transported by Sunni GRP to Afghanistan Pak balochistan

            What kind of agent carry official passport with himself

          • Shershahsuri

            Mentioning Sunni again and again just expose your skull full of bias, prejudice, envy and sectarian hatred. And this is something which will definitely be hated by Shiites even in India. But I dont think you are Muslim either. Because your hatred, bias and sectarian narrow mindedness is neither the becoming of Shiite nor Sunni. Its just the mentality of a Shev Cena thug.

      • Ashi Sidhu

        Problem is Pak army is sympathetic with taliban they wouldn’t let them get defeated and have continuously offered shelter

        • jigsaww

          Taliban are supported and financed by the Hindustani RAW as well as hindustan is now supplying weapons to ISIS. Whenever Pakistan has carried out ops, the anti-pakistan assets have been provided cover in afghanistan through CIA airlifts or RAW support. RAW has been actively providing shelter to terrorists and Hindu NSA ajit doval is on record accepting paying terrorists to kill civilians in Pakistan.

          RAW’s face is exposed in Pakistan and will continue to be.

          That is the problem.

          • Ashi Sidhu

            Don’t get carried away by ISI propaganda!!!
            Try and open ur eyes

          • jigsaww

            Stop lying to yourself and the world.

            Hindustan’s terrorist activities are self acknowledged by hindustani PM, defence minister, NSA, as well as Amnesty, CIA, and UN.

            Try honesty for a change in your life.

          • WARRIOR

            They won’t understand
            In thousand year of slavery there Mata cow was slaughtered in front of them n they where unable to drink there favorite juice
            N now when they got freedom they got mad due to excessive use of urine hope someone convinces them that drinking dirt is not good for there body

        • Muhammad Hamza

          n ur eys r opend ? kul bhushan had reveal all the plans of raw u non realist indians

    • Shershahsuri

      You mentioned 35$ billion so many times. Pakistan losses in war on terror are more than 70 billion dollars besides lives of thousands of civilians and security personnel. Blaming only Pakistan for Taliban is also baseless. Why NATO and ISAF in Afghanistan with so much resources and funding could not control Taliban in Afghanistan. Pakistan resources compared to NATO are fewer. You blame ISI for the backing of Taliban but there are also evidences India support Taliban Terrorists in Afghanistan.

      • MT

        simple 1 reason
        pakistan pakistan & pak army.

        ; Pakistan state airlifted taliban tier1 leader from American bought c130 in 2001 just a week prior to war.

        pak army never allowed usa to destroy taliban as pak army continue to arm,facilitate taliban terrorist for 2decades

        pak army gave safe haven to haqanni and other taliban fighters

        had usa bombed pak & threatened it with economic sanction then we would nt have taliban problem

        by the way pak was economically bankrupt & couldn’t pay debt in 2001.usa aid helped pak gdp n last decade.

        pak industry r limited to agricultural textiles rubber shoes and sports items while war has helped u get preferential treatment of gsp from many countries.
        why forget those 10 bill$ debt reschedule done by usa and allies

        war against terror ws boon for pak economy which would have strangulated with limited industrial capabilities and almost nill local saving rate.

        • Shershahsuri

          Ridiculous, suppose Pakistan was airlifting Taliban leadership, Al-Qaeda and ISI from Kunduz (as is claimed by many) what USAF and Army was doing? if they allowed Pakistan to do so suppose, then what remains objectionable? Again you mention billion dollars aid, and again i will tell you Pakistan losses are far higher. Foreign investment stopped, economic activities slowed down. were there no war on terror, Pakistan would have been different today. More peaceful and more prosperous.

          • MT

            Us have been blaming Pak since day 1.

            US went soft against Pakistan after obama was elected & didnt try to use force against Pak army which has been major facilitator for Taliban terrorist since 2001

            Pak govt have officially accepted of safeguarding Taliban leadership in quetta & peshwara shurras for last decade while haqanni is long term ally of pak army

            Y wll someone invest in Pakistan??
            1. No mineral ores: No proper coal,steel plant

            2. Limited industrial cabailities

            3. No local energy plant manufacturing capabilities deterred by lack of decent in house coal

            every country who gets FDI have atleast these basic basic capabilities

            Lately,in absence of war with Taliban & wahabi extremists strengthened for 2 more decades. Pak would have been hub of dozens type of ISIS type terrorists

          • Masroor Hussain

            Indian bastards are gonna cry no matter what because they cannot see Pakistan doing a bit of progress at all, it sets them on fire. India has been the real backer of the talibans and al qaeda the moment they started bombing Pakistan. You’ve invested so much in destabilization of Pakistan and have used RAW trained terrorist movements but we’re now slitting throats of your all such backed organizations, so its no wonder why you’re choking.

    • WARRIOR

      Go drink some cow urine it’s a happy moment for u n when a person is happy he enjoys his favorite food
      You r from a community where u guys for your benefit can RAPE your own sisters
      You want an example?
      Go have a look at RAJA Diar history
      I think your r from his family
      Came into world due to sexual relationship of brother n sister

      • MT

        Those propaganda about dahir relationship with sister is creation of pak jihadi literature put in your curriculum.
        truth is simple that is islamist arab attacked native pagans,raped their women ,converted them to islam.

        Its sunni muslim who brred with cousin

        • WARRIOR

          Thanks for having some cow urine
          Only that can make you deny historical facts
          Dair married his sister rani lade
          His own brother showed some courage against his decision but Dhair killed his brother
          Facts speak louder than words
          Cow urine can only close your eyes and mind for little time go n have a look at shameful historical facts about urine drinker Hindus

          • MT

            lies lies and lies.
            only paki books have such sheer propaganda about their native sindhi rulers

          • WARRIOR

            Closing eyes in front of facts doesn’t change reality

          • WARRIOR

            You know when I was in UK when ever I discussed about India with a British his first expression was country of rapists

          • MT

            Did you ask him why So many Pakistani name their restaurants after Indian name & hide behind Indian nationality

            I have met dozens Pakistani who were pretending to be Indian once I asked about them with white people

          • WARRIOR

            If urine runs instead of blood thsn such problems r a normal case
            Dirt is in your blood
            A Pakistani will love going into hell instead of presenting himself as an Indian
            Indian r most worst creatures in face of earth
            You said above that u r Shia that means u r Muslim n Muslim don’t lie
            You r shame on face of Muslims
            Dirty pig don’t mention yourself as an Muslim
            Go have a sip of you Mata urine

          • MT

            stop abusing
            I met many pakistani who claimed to be indian.
            Well i didnt humiliate them as I feel that Its your elite army who is the problem & Pakistani citizens more or less want peace with India

          • WARRIOR

            A RAW thug claims that Pakistanis claimed that they r Indians
            You know any sensible person is goona laugh at this statement
            Urine has disturbed your nervous system you need a saccatrist

          • jigsaww

            Calling a Pakistani a hindustani is an abuse of highest order.

          • Hindukush

            Not true ,been in United States for 35 years ,haven’t met a single Pakistani who would identify with mud like you

          • Hindukush

            Don’t give a rats ass about the local Sindhi ruler or the invading Arab army,we live in 2016 so fuckoff

        • WARRIOR

          Hindu = shame on face of globe
          The community that rapes his own daughters n sisters is telling others about moral values
          Not your fault
          Fault is in your blood

          • MT

            pak law doesn’t not admit rape witout proof of 4 men
            lol

          • WARRIOR

            Pakistan law admits when medical report say incident happened
            But in Pakistan rapist isn’t given prime minister post like in India

        • WARRIOR

          You talking about Rape?
          Please put this word on Google
          You know what’s goona come out?
          Whew someone searches Rape in Google name of India comes out even Google knows meaning of India is rape

          • MT

            I believe that those sunni who converted wre raped

            My ancestors came from iraq & we r pure shia but we r now full hindustani

          • Hindukush

            You keep bringing up Shia,Jinah was Shia I am Shia ,you my friend are a dothead

          • jigsaww

            Good for you.
            May you live and be risen up with Hindus in this life and here after.

          • jigsaww

            Please behave yourself.

          • Masroor Hussain

            also full of shit and have no vision, just a terrorist state of mind who doesn’t know a *uck about history.

          • Shershahsuri

            Mentioning Sunni again and again just expose your skull full of bias, prejudice, envy and sectarian hatred. And this is something which will definitely be hated by Shiites even in India. But I dont think you are Muslim either. Because your hatred, bias and sectarian narrow mindedness is neither the becoming of Shiite nor Sunni. Its just the mentality of Shev Cena thug.

    • Prime

      you are indian pay rool dear MT and indinan is given moeny and that way you barking

    • Sidster

      Pakistan never double cross America. All money paid to Pakistan was paid for the Service provided to US Army, Air force, and Navy during Afghan theater.
      15 Billion dollars paid by US for Social and Military aid, because after destroying Pakistani Culture and economy in 1990’s, US cut aid by Pressler amendment and left all militant and refuges to be dealt by Pakistani Government. These Billions also paid for infrustructure and two Pakistan Bases for drone flights and Search & Rescue operation.
      The second war in Afghanistan also disrupted Pakistan economy and infrastructure because of use of road and rail transport for US Military supplies. The war also bought second wave of refuge from Afghanistan and FATA into Proper Pakistan.

  • Mustafa O

    Agreed. A very sane approach indeed.

  • I am actually kind of on the fence on this one. Never was in favor of PAF pursuing these jets, but considering the 2020 deadline of retirement of Mirages & F-7 it made sense to always have the extra firepower.

    If the PAF is placing all its bets on F-16 without considering JF-17 Block-III altogether, then upper hierarchy of PAF is honestly a bunch of utter fools & complete idiots.

    However, i personally believe that PAF deliberately went this route to test the waters whether this deal can be processed this way, knowing full well that deal will hit some roadblocks. If the deal becomes an eventual dead end, then it would simply invest this amount in R&D of JF-17 Block III.

  • Armagan Akram

    Reminds me of the scenario when Germany invaded Russia, the Russian generals tell Stalin that the quality of the Russian Tanks cannot match the German Tiger tanks. Stalin’s reply;
    “Quantity has a quality all of it’s own”. End result the Russians won by out producing the Germans.
    The lesson build more Thunders instead.

  • Manglori

    A well written article

  • middleway1

    We can take for granted that the vast majority of the comments from Indians will be hostile and malicious, since they go bananas and can’t think straight the moment the name of Pakistan is mentioned.

    If we were not nuclear, they would have definitely attacked us by now. Now, all they can do is fume, and badmouth. Nevertheless, some of the points they make regarding our lack of depth in industry hit home.

    Our politicians have been too busy lining their own pockets instead of spending money on the development of the country.

    For sure, India was way ahead of us even in 1947, because all the industry that was developed up to that time in pre-partition India, ended up in post-partition India, including Tata industries. Pakistan had no industry to speak of at partition other than a few cotton ginning mills. Even so, we were well on our way in the 60’s, when our growth rate was over 8% pa, so that the Koreans came to Pakistan to study what we were doing. Look where they are now, after they copied us!

    Our politicians have no long term vision, or continuity of policies that is needed to bring us out of our underdeveloped state. Yes, we are making progress, but 2 steps forward, and one step back. Even in the 90’s with Nawaz Sharif’s first government, policy changes were made that resulted in rapid growth for a short time, until PPP came in. This time India took notice, and copied our policies, and started making rapid progress.

    In spite of that, India has vast internal social problems that don’t have any easy solution on the horizon, like the caste system, and the problem of untouchables, the ongoing Naxalite Marxist insurgency in Central/Eastern India, the Kashmir problem, largely self created, though they love to blame Pakistan for it (the whole population is against them, so that have a whole army in Kashmir to control the population. It is not a matter of a few terrorists supposedly sent by Pakistan).

    We are a lot smaller, and though we have ethnic tensions, believe me they are nothing compared to India. Thank God we have the values of Islam which teaches us the basic equality of all human beings. On top of that, we are a much smaller country than India. Thus, if we get our act together, we can leave them in the dust, Insha’Allah. But it is up to us.

  • Ch Usman

    Taliban are supported and financed by the Hindustani RAW as well as hindustan is now supplying weapons to ISIS. Whenever Pakistan has carried out ops, the anti-pakistan assets have been provided cover in afghanistan through CIA airlifts or RAW support. RAW has been actively providing shelter to terrorists and Hindu NSA ajit doval is on record accepting paying terrorists to kill civilians in Pakistan.

    RAW’s face is exposed in Pakistan and will continue to be.

    That is the problem.

    • MT

      That’s why taliban commander mullah mansour is based in quetta shurra

      • jigsaww

        It just exposes understanding of an average brainwashed hindustani about what he knows about the region. and that’s because it is poking its head in the hole where it won’t fit, thinking that empty things fit anywhere.

        The so called Pakistan taliban have nothing to do with Afghan Talibs and Hindustan is paying and recruiting in coop with MOSAD and CIA the pakistan taliban, tajik and uzbeks and afghans with fake IDs and sending them to Pakistan to carry out terrorism. If hindustan can issue fake IDs to its serving RAW officer, it certainly is doing to anyone who signs up to carry out terrorism in pakistan.

        This is why hindustan has been providing shelter to these terrorists in hindustani consulates with finances and training.

        Proven fact.

        • MT

          Ttp are almost non existent
          I m.talking about real taliban terrorist who have been given safe houses in pakistan

          These taliban terrorist kill 100 afghani daily.

          Moron I expect u idiots to duck about the real menace who is ally of your jihadi army

          • jigsaww

            You are a Jahil.

            It just reimposes my comment above that you idiots have no understanding whatsoever of what you’re fiddling with.

          • MT

            moron ur army is arming protecting assisting taliban for last2 decade

            do u ever read dawn;nytimes,bbc,guardian

            your ex army chief ,NSA/foreign minister have admitted of supporting afghan taliban since 2001 which make u notorious & get u badge of terrorist countries among the world.

            world treats pak as the true menace for terrorism in afganistan

            zhad pak army treated taliban as its enemy,taliban terrorist would hav been eliminated long ago

            world have realised that in order to have peace In Afghanistan; -pak should b isolated & all kinds of aid must be withheld
            Best mean should be to declare pak isi & pak army as terrorist group which Leon penetta already mentioned in his written letter to Usa senate

          • Tar TwoGo

            Any one can be ally of Jihadi ally except Hindus like you.

  • Khalil

    I am 200% agree with this concept defined by the writer …..PAF should follow and try to convince the govt. ………trust on our people trust on our skills will help us in longterm

  • Taimur

    PAF should invest in developing engines of JF-17 and no harm if go for public private partnership such as ‘General Dynamics’, ‘Lockheed Martin’ or BAE Systems. In this way funding can be generated without much of the burden on PAF.

  • Taimur

    PAF should invest in developing engines of JF-17 and no harm if go for
    public private partnership such as ‘General Dynamics’, ‘Lockheed Martin’
    or BAE Systems. In this way funding can be generated without much of
    the burden on PAF.

    • MT

      ha ha . ur daddy chins have invested20 bill $ in engine development & despite 40 yrs r$d they r 2-) decades behind west

  • Sami Shahid

    oh Bhai , forget F-16 and get J-10’s from China….keep in mind that US is urging India to fight a sub-conventional war with Pakistan so that US can take away Pakistani Nuclear….however, enhancing the capabilities of JF-17 should be a side business and its a must.

  • Abdullah Aman

    Pakistan should focus on JF-17 Block-III and next generation aircraft or if we want to that much money for F-16 then we should spend it on planes like SU-35 we should not buy more F-16 because US is turning towards India more and US wars against so call terrorism soon going to end and just like before US going to leave Pakistan standing alone we should develop JF-17 Block-III fast and start working fast on our next generation aircraft

  • AdCh

    Put some money in the pockets of the U.S congressmen trying to stop the deal.
    The Indian are doing it to block the sale Pakistanis need to lobby for the sale.
    Politicians in every country are the same they are easily bought.

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